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Old 01-28-2018, 05:33 PM
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Most likely, any wheels you find are going to be rusted, so you might not be any better off with the used rims, even if you do find them. Rusted old metal is weakened, and a real safety hazard, considering that you drive the car long distances. If it were my car, I would bite the bullet, and have Stockton Wheel manufacture a couple or even 4 new rims for the peace of mind knowing that they are highly unlikely to fail. I can see another failure like that one happening at 40 or 50 MPH totaling your car, and even causing you physical injury. There isn't much between you and the road except for your tires and rims. Your car is only as safe as your weakest part. I commend you for driving your car, instead of trailering it to meets.
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Old 01-28-2018, 05:35 PM
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Ed: Do not think they did it when mounting as we used it on the rear for 8 years. Could hear it when it split then tube blew. Patti says she must of gained weight and was too heavy on her side.
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I have been sitting back and watching and listening on this one. First let me say I have been working with vehicles since 1954 and a car dealer since 1958 with time out for the Navy. In all this time I have NEVER seen a wheel fail as this one did. My thoughts run along the line of remove another wheel and tire break it down and have the wheel magnafluxed looking for stress cracking in the same area. If you find none then the wheel that failed my well be a defective one that indeed took 79 years to fail. If you find an issue with another wheel then you may want to look at converting to 15 inch wheels that are newer.Let me close by saying my involvement has been an operator of a salvage yard so if could be bent busted shredded torn apart or destroyed I have seen it. again never have I seen a wheel fail as yours did.
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I haven't seen a wheel first hand, however, I have been told by others that installed radial tires on rims that were never designed for them, that they split at the bead. Some say that it is a result of how radial tires flex at the sidewall. Possibly his bias ply tires were tubeless?

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Can you tell me if it is not good practice to install a tube in a radial tire?

A: It is a bad idea to put a tube into any tubeless tire. Tubeless tires have a considerably more robust construction than tube tires, which need the help of a tube of air to maintain sidewall stability and air pressure.
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Peter I agree with you on this. The fellow that restored the hearse said he has only seen this happen once before. Thanks for your input. John
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Paul I've seen wheels fail with radials but not as this16 inch Cadillac did. The one I have seen fail especially aluminum wheels fail on the outer lip. Usually brought on by a curb scuff. I have scrapped a couple of Town Car wheels from the local limo guy they were not even cracked but became porus and would not seal on a tubeless tire. You could blow the tire up lay it flat pour water around the lip and see air bubbling out at the rim edge and no amount of cleaning and reinflation would stop the leak rim just junk. Now these were rims from a Town Car stretch limo with over 300k on it.
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most likely the tube blew out and the rim split when it hit the pavement. if the source Paul gave you can make them correct I would certainly check into that.

do you have any Ida what years are the same? I'll keep my ear to the ground
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All,

I checked both my 15th Edition Hollander and 19th Edition Hollander manuals. According to Hollander, only Cadillac 1938-1940 commercial chassis wheels interchange. They are a 16"x6", 6/6" wheel.

The Series 75s & 90s were 16"x5", 6/6" wheel. All lesser Cadillac series had a smaller bolt pattern.

Had to dig pretty deep into the stack of Hollanders to find this one. Earliest Hollander I have is a 9th Edition. All are originals.
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Hollander shows all '38-'40 LaSalles as having a 16'x4.5" rim with a 5/5" bolt pattern.

John, Does your LaSalle have 5 lugs or 6?
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Had to dig pretty deep into the stack of Hollanders to find this one. Earliest Hollander I have is a 9th Edition. All are originals.
Should you ever need, I have an original 8th edition. It is all typed, not typeset!!!
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