Friends of the Professional Car Society - Official Website of the Professional Car Society, Inc.Friends of the Professional Car Society - Official Website of the Professional Car Society, Inc.



Go Back   Friends of the Professional Car Society - Official Website of the Professional Car Society, Inc. > Professional Car Discussion > Emergency lighting and Sirens

Emergency lighting and Sirens For discussion of emergency lighting and sirens as they are associated with Professional Cars. Posting in this forum is limited to PCS Members and / or Site Supporters. We encourage all website users to become members of the Professional Car Society and / or become Site Supporter.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-05-2015, 12:27 AM
Brad Winder Brad Winder is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Hay Lakes, Alberta, Canada T0B 1W0
Posts: 20
Thanks: 4
Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Federal model "O" siren on '57 DeSoto?

Hi All,

I was at the large Red Deer spring swap meet on Friday, and I found a Federal model "O" siren. Something told me that it would be correct for my DeSoto ambulance. The guy selling it said that he had removed it from a fire truck. I decided to take a risk. He wanted $195, I offered $165 and he took it.

Tonight, I set it on the Ambulance fender, to see if the holes line up. And...they do! Perfectly!! So, would this siren have a high probability of being the correct type for my rig?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-05-2015, 10:14 AM
Paul Steinberg Paul Steinberg is offline
PCS Past President / Senior Website Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Woodstock CT 06281
Posts: 6,180
Thanks: 6,389
Thanked 11,407 Times in 3,728 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default

I am assuming that the base is the "standard" 4 hole base that Federal used for all their sirens, and that the "puck" on the bottom of the siren is held to the base with a single bolt. If this is the case, then there are a wide variety of sirens that mount to that base, and the only way to guess what class of siren was mounted to the fender, is to find the original wire, and to check its gauge. The smaller sirens, such as the "O", "WL", "WRL", etc. used a 14 or 12 gauge wire, and a larger motor siren, would have used a 6 or 4 gauge wire. Below is a picture of the base that I am referencing. Picture by Nicholas Studer.

__________________
"When a man opens a door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-05-2015, 10:28 AM
Paul Steinberg Paul Steinberg is offline
PCS Past President / Senior Website Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Woodstock CT 06281
Posts: 6,180
Thanks: 6,389
Thanked 11,407 Times in 3,728 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default

I just checked www.sirenman.com website for a Model O siren picture, which is posted below. What I said in the above post doesn't apply to the Model O siren, however, there are a few sirens that also use the same 2 hole base as the Model O siren, but I don't know enough about this class of siren to describe all the variations. This class of siren uses either a 14 or 12 gauge wire, and I have seen them either painted or chrome.

Attached Images
 
__________________
"When a man opens a door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife."
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Paul Steinberg For This Useful Post:
Mike McDonald (05-05-2015)
  #4  
Old 05-05-2015, 11:26 AM
John ED Renstrom's Avatar
John ED Renstrom John ED Renstrom is offline
PCS Elected Director 2016 - 2018
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Hot Springs SD 57747
Posts: 10,903
Thanks: 3,838
Thanked 14,136 Times in 5,947 Posts
Groans: 2
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default

70 series used the 2 hole mount also. so unless you can find pictures of your car at an earlier date or maybe the man that took the stuff off. It's a wide open field as to what they had on it or when it got put on. When re-doign one the key to being period correct is to stay within ten years of the car.

A number of times the buyer would save money by reusing stuff off his older car and then during the life cycle of the car it would have some upgrades.

Were not all of us can gather the information to make the car as it was day of delivery, making it period correct makes it look right.

that siren would fit that bill, normally if they were fender mounted they were chrome. but a CD rige might be anythig.
__________________
drop in for coffee anytime
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-05-2015, 05:12 PM
Nicholas Studer Nicholas Studer is online now
PCS Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: San Antonio TX 72812
Posts: 356
Thanks: 256
Thanked 877 Times in 223 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John ED Renstrom View Post
70 series used the 2 hole mount also. so unless you can find pictures of your car at an earlier date or maybe the man that took the stuff off. It's a wide open field as to what they had on it or when it got put on. When re-doign one the key to being period correct is to stay within ten years of the car.

A number of times the buyer would save money by reusing stuff off his older car and then during the life cycle of the car it would have some upgrades.

Were not all of us can gather the information to make the car as it was day of delivery, making it period correct makes it look right.

that siren would fit that bill, normally if they were fender mounted they were chrome. but a CD rige might be anythig.
Can't agree more. The big question that I needed to ask myself is not only WHAT are you restoring, but also WHEN you're restoring it to. In the case of the Pinner-Chrysler that Paul shows the photo from, similar story. Came with a mechanical siren of some kind (best guess now is C4B) but somewhere along the line in the late 1960s or 1970s it got an FS Interceptor electronic siren. The Rescue Squad decided additionally it shouldn't be a rescue car anymore and just a straight ambulance. They thus pulled out the hand lights, fire extinguishers, water rescue gear, etc. out along the same unknown timeframe.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-06-2015, 10:01 AM
Brad Winder Brad Winder is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Hay Lakes, Alberta, Canada T0B 1W0
Posts: 20
Thanks: 4
Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Well, I plan on restoring it back to as close as possible to the way it would have been, when it was converted. But, as mentioned, there are limitations. Unless I can find original pictures of it in action, I will have to do an educated guess, based on period equipment, and evidence I find during the rebuilding process.

What time period was the model "O" siren produced?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wanted "Superior" & "Cadillac" script Matthew Taylor Wanted 16 02-27-2014 11:22 AM
Question about coachbuilt production and "model years"? Todd Merrifield General Discussion Forum 1 08-03-2011 02:10 PM
Wanted-Federal "Q" base Richard Vyse Wanted 31 01-27-2011 06:32 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2009 - 2018 Friends of the Professional Car Society