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Old 10-09-2018, 01:48 AM
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PEOPLE ! We are 10 min from Amsterdam NY, it is part of our extended community. The accident occurred 20-25 min away from us. I have traveled this intersection many many times over the years when I was on the road as an Adjuster. Many of those who died were known to us, my sons and daughter in law. They either went to school with them or worked with them. Tonight there was a candle light ceremony in Amsterdam attended by 2000 + for those who died. The intersection is a nasty "T" intersection just across from the Red Barrel. It was NOT a wedding party, it was a group out for a wine tasting. It was NOT an intersection crash. The second car that was struck and 2 pedestrians were in the parking lot of the Red Barrel a local store and eatery. The un fact checked comments and political commentary are reprehensible. First I ask for RESPECT for those who lost their lives. Second get you facts straight. Try checking www.cbs6albany.com, www.wnyt.com or www.dailygazette.com. I am just sick about some of you "comments"
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:33 AM
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I dont think anyone meant offense, thanks for providing clarification
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Old 10-09-2018, 03:09 PM
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will I believe Gus but the news people can't get there facts at all. first a wedding party, second a birthday party and now it turns out a wine tasting party.

were I understand that for the people that have friends and relatives involved in this accident it's personal and the why just dosen't matter. it would seam to me 2000 at the candle light virgule need to be 2000 at the county commissioners meeting and have something done with this intersection. you could name the new one for the people lost at this incident. but from the talk this parking lot has seen a number of these wit this one being the worse
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Being in the field of forensic pathology for many years, here's my theory: None of the passengers or driver in the limousine were killed in this accident. The 18 year old vehicle from upper New York Sate probably had lots of undercarriage rust from the past 17 years of driving on salty roads in the winter. As the limousine sped down the road, one by one, the passengers became unconscious and quietly died due to an exhaust leak. Protected by the partition, the driver proceeded to transport his dead and dying passengers until he finally succumbed to the deadly fumes, hence, no obvious sign of breaking at the intersection. I think they were all dead before they were "killed". There is no way all 18 died from trauma instantly. The same thing happened to golfer Payne Stewart except he was in an airplane and the internal cabin pressure caused his (and the pilot's) death prior to them crashing to earth. Just my thoughts.

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It is all very sad, regardless of the cause. To Gus's point, we only know the facts we are told, there is always more to a story than is written, or reported. Gus knows the story on a very personal level and if anybody knows upstate NY, everybody knows everybody and everything. But, I also think that Jim Staruk probably has a point. In any event, 20 innocent people were killed and someone is going to be held accountable, perhaps a group of people. These types of accidents can be prevented with strict enforcement of every law.

May all of these victims rest in peace. Our hearts go out to their families and friends for their tragic loss.
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Picture of the "Limo" at rest is in this story.
https://gellerreport.com/2018/10/dea...r-arrest.html/

The roofline and coachwork look pretty straight for an 8000 pound vehicle coming to a complete stop against a berm from 60mph.

The owner has a less than stellar record as is also told in the story.
The owner has returned to Pakistan where 2 Murder charges remain open against him. He supposedly entered the US via crossing the border from Mexico. He then managed to use the system to get a job as a Translator for NY DMV, where he set up a system to get Driver Licenses.

The "limo" was for sale on CraigsList for $9000 a few days before the crash.
Lawyers for the owner have stated the defects that caused the "limo" to fail Inspection, tires and Brakes, had been corrected prior to listing the "Limo" for sale.

Engineers have calculated the G forces sustained by all passengers and the driver, and they are above maximum G forces ever sustained by a human.

I was thinking Carbon Monoxide initially as well, although texts are now coming to light from the passengers minutes before impact. CO may well have contributed.

Autopsies will reveal if it was or not.
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the news today stated the reason for the limo not to have passed inspection was that the light for the anti lock brake would not come on. given how they have reported other things we will see if that stays.
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Just announced- the son/manager of the company owner who won't be leaving Pakistan soon has met Mr Handcuff for 20 counts of Negligent Homicide.

MYS cowboy hat wearing ticket spitters even managed to find they had stopped the "limo" a couple months back, with the same driver, and had ticketed for Driving out of class. There is no doubt the driver didn't know he was Driving out of class Saturday on his final trip.
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Additional info now public-
The vehicle had obtained an Inspection sticker by means of the owner finding a NYS Inspection Station to pass it. That Inspector is in a world of trouble since regular NYS Inspection Stations are forbidden to inspect for hire vehicles such as buses and limos.
Since the inspection was unlawful the car was on the road illegally.

Item 2- Initial Autopsy report from Albany County Medical Examiner says all victims in the car died of blunt force trauma to organs.
No toxicology report is available yet and it won't be for a while since NY encourages MEs to batch Tox testing for economy.
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