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Kevin O'Connell
06-15-2012, 07:10 AM
1942 Henney Packard Civil Defense Ambulance:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3074153396.html

http://s6.postimage.org/4nlqbzlch/1942_A.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s6.postimage.org/ivbf0my1d/1942b.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s6.postimage.org/mg7ajv2kx/1942c.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s6.postimage.org/vci2nst75/1942d.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Adam Borkat
06-15-2012, 08:36 AM
Wow! Nice to see one survived. Would be even nicer to see someone restore it! What a neat piece of history.

Mike McDonald
06-15-2012, 09:02 AM
If I were 20 years younger and had an extra $50-K eating a hole in my pocket, I would take this on. Compared to the relatively simple Civil Defense REO's we have restored, this unit finished would definately be the "Holy Grail" of C-D Units! Too bad one of the succesor owners didn't have a barn to park it in 50 years ago. MM

John Royark JR
06-15-2012, 01:15 PM
Would this be a Franklin body??

Adam Borkat
06-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Would this be a Franklin body??

It's a Henney built coach, and as far as I know they didn't outsource any of their bodies. When I get home I'll see if I can find some more helpful details in McPherson's Henney book.

Paul Steinberg
06-15-2012, 01:39 PM
Would this be a Franklin body??

Franklin Body in Brooklyn NY built bodies on trucks mostly used in the greater metropolitan area of New York. Back then, there were many custom body companies like Franklin that built similar items. As an example, many of the truck bodied ambulances that were built for the New Jersey rescue squad on the Jersey shore were built by Adam Black and Company of Jersey City. They were originally a wagon manufacturer that grew into building on the automobile as automobiles became more popular.
Franklin Body was the local dealer for Pinner Coach, and was the delivering dealer for my 1963 Chrysler Pinner Ambulance. I learned this from Jack Pinner a few years ago, while we were discussing the car. Jack delivered it to Brooklyn, and Franklin delivered it to Rhinecliff Fire Department.

John Royark JR
06-15-2012, 01:41 PM
It's a Henney built coach, and as far as I know they didn't outsource any of their bodies. When I get home I'll see if I can find some more helpful details in McPherson's Henney book.

Thanks, I dont know what I was thinking. The Henney book says they planned on making many but due to shortages and the war halt of production there were only aprox. 10 built.
This would be a great piece of history to save!!!

Mike McDonald
06-15-2012, 02:08 PM
I believe it's already been ID's and confirmed, but according to Page # 213 in McPherson's "Big Black Book" it's a Henney. I didn't realize until the post from "K-O" that the crosses on each side and at the rear doors were "imbeddded".... nice extra custom touch! (*) If anybody takes this project on, I have all sizes of the old Civil Defense Graphics that could be helpful to a sign painter. MM

Paul Steinberg
06-15-2012, 02:11 PM
Mike....

You aren't that old that taking on this project would be a burden on you. You have the experience to do it correctly, and to get the project moving forward to completion. Please reconsider. If you do it, I would even consider storing it for you when it is done... How can you beat an offer like that??? :thumb:

Mike McDonald
06-15-2012, 02:21 PM
My legs are getting "all wobbly" just thinking about your generous offer! MM

John Royark JR
06-15-2012, 02:32 PM
My legs are getting "all wobbly" just thinking about your generous offer! MM

Mike, Pauls offer is very generous, and I know you are thinking very serious about it. But before you commit, I live closer to you and am willing to give you the same offer, but I also agree to put a full tank of gas in it when you visit.

Paul Steinberg
06-15-2012, 03:01 PM
Oh great... John is trying to undermine my generous offer of storage. :blahblah: OK, I will up the ante. I will do regular oil changes along with keeping the gas tank full for you. I will even air the tires as needed...

John Royark JR
06-15-2012, 03:05 PM
Oh great... John is trying to undermine my generous offer of storage. :blahblah: OK, I will up the ante. I will do regular oil changes along with keeping the gas tank full for you. I will even air the tires as needed...

I was in until the tire pressure. May be too much for me to take on...LOL

I bow to you paul,:3_7_11v:

Steve Lichtman
06-15-2012, 05:23 PM
I'd love to buy that, it's very cool that one even still exists. I don't know if it's $12,500 cool for me, though, especially in "restorable" condition and clear across the country from me.

Steve Loftin
06-15-2012, 05:39 PM
The Chicago FD had a few of these, as well:

(SL collection)

Steve Lichtman
06-15-2012, 09:36 PM
Here are a couple of others. The first one is from New York, and if you look closely, it says "Department of Hospitals" and "City of New York".

The second is indentified as from Lakewood, NJ. I can't make out what the fine print says. I suppose it's possible they are photos of the same ambulance....

John Royark JR
06-15-2012, 10:49 PM
Here are a couple of others. The first one is from New York, and if you look closely, it says "Department of Hospitals" and "City of New York".

The second is indentified as from Lakewood, NJ. I can't make out what the fine print says. I suppose it's possible they are photos of the same ambulance....

Steve, the Henney Book says that most of the approx. 10 built were sent to New York, so its very possible that your pics are of 2 different cars.

Kevin O'Connell
06-17-2012, 09:35 PM
If this is the car I'm thinking of, it originally served the City of Long Beach, CA. It then went to the Sana Anita Race Track in Arcadia, CA. It sat in outdoor storage for years in Glendora, CA. No one could ever nail down the owner. Last time I went by there, the area had been redeveloped.

Paul Steinberg
06-17-2012, 09:47 PM
For the price of $12,500 it should come with a title and pedigree papers. Wonder what the seller would say if you were to ask for proof of his ownership, and keep tracing it back from there. I'd hate to restore it only to have someone with a better claim of ownership show up and take it away. This has happened all to often now that old auto theft records are being digitized, and scanned into computers.. Cars reported stolen 40 years ago are suddenly starting to show up for sale.

Harry Evans
07-10-2012, 12:04 AM
I really can't believe people aren't fighting to get this vehicle. 1 of 12, the only one left, eligible for all the snobby tours, and it'd be the most photographed vehicle in any, ANY CCA/AACA/ Packard event. If I could, I would have this car asap.

John ED Renstrom
07-10-2012, 12:11 AM
it could rest at my place for a year or two before going father east. :halo:

Steve Lichtman
07-10-2012, 01:33 PM
I really can't believe people aren't fighting to get this vehicle. 1 of 12, the only one left, eligible for all the snobby tours, and it'd be the most photographed vehicle in any, ANY CCA/AACA/ Packard event. If I could, I would have this car asap.Yes. If I could, I would have this car ASAP, too!

Brian Austin
09-23-2012, 08:40 PM
It's cool seeing the photos posted here (and it's always good to catch a CL listing before it expires and disappears forever).

Here are a couple of patents relating ot the body design:

http://www.google.com/patents/USD135392?pg=PA1&dq=el+scofield&hl=en&sa=X&ei=85xfUNCdO-7V0gGIqoHgDg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=el%20scofield&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents/US2387186?pg=PA4&dq=henney+ambulance&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZJxfUPHAOsTK0AHwCA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=henney%20ambulance&f=false

Darren Bedford
09-23-2012, 10:39 PM
Steve

I would buy the 60 Buick you have to provide cash and a spot to keep it in !

A nice car going to a nice guy and a rare piece of history being saved and restored by a great guy who should have this ambulance !

Sounds great to me ! Plus I will finally have some lights and siren to play with !

Waddayathink ?
Darren

Paul Steinberg
09-23-2012, 11:47 PM
Darren... I think that you better get in line, instead of jumping to the head of the line. There are a number of people that have expressed interest in purchasing the Buick ambulance if and when Steve decides to sell it. I am one of those people. Who wiill get the first offer is up to Steve...

Steve Lichtman
09-24-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm sure I'm keeping the '60 Flxible.

But never say never.... :smiley3:

Patrick J. Martin
11-06-2012, 10:14 PM
I've been following this ambulance, and every time that the craigslist ad expired, it was renewed. Yesterday I went to read the ad again, and I got a "listing deleted by poster" message. Anyone know what became of this car?

Mike McDonald
11-07-2012, 08:50 AM
I've been following this ambulance, and every time that the craigslist ad expired, it was renewed. Yesterday I went to read the ad again, and I got a "listing deleted by poster" message. Anyone know what became of this car?

I'm guessing it's still there. Even with it's rarity, it needs to be a little more realistically priced to interest most people and those will have to have DEEP pockets. It's in a litlle CA town called Techacapi off SR-58 between Mojave and Bakersfield mostly known for a large prison and cement plant. I'll do a 5 minute "drive by" the next time I pass thru. MM

Kyle Martin
11-07-2012, 09:38 AM
ok, lets see, free oil changes, free air in tires, free storage(or 2 years to restore) wow! 12500 to buy, 50k+ to restore. 1000+ to transport to mr. renstrom free gas when visiting other members. asked the wife what she thought and got the correct answer for me. ARE YOU NUTS AGAIN. (as she said, im the one who just had brain surgery but i beleive your the one who lost his mind) guess that leaves me out but ill donate free tune ups when someone buys it and comes to visit me down here in texas. so free maintenance, gas and the admiration of one very jealous man. hell, ill even throw in free room and board when you bring it to me for tune ups. how can you beat that!!!

Joe Melanson
10-05-2013, 05:25 AM
Posted again after almost a year.

RARE 1942 Packard Ambulance (Tehachapi)

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/4104032854.html