Sad Pro-Cars

[Richard Vyse]

Here's a chance to dig through those picture files again and post those of "Sad Pro-Cars".

[Richard Vyse]

More examples...

[Richard Vyse]

I'm adding Doug's but we all know it is on the road to recovery and slipping this 58 in here again.

[Steve Loftin]

...and/or where were they photographed (one of several requests)? Please?

I'm especially curious about the '76 Lifeliner.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Heres a couple for ya!:respect:

Car on the left, 1973 Miller-Meteor Cadillac Citation endloader.

Car on right, 1973 Miller-Meteor Cadillac Landau Traditional Dupex.

Where at, behind my barn!:toocool:

[Jonathon Fowers]

is that green and white one off of six feet under??

[Douglas Smith]

"Rabia Temple NO. 8" 1969 Hearse horridly sad pro car in jacksonville Florida

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/804/3m73pb3lc5q45w15u5a9r6b.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4346/3nc3m63oa5o25z45r4a9rab.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/134/3p83o93la5o35q15s1a9r3d.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3039/3k53m93l45t15z55s1a9r13.jpg

[Josh Gentry]

A 74 M-M sitting next to the road, up in East Tennessee, owned by a previous PCS member from years ago. It could stil be saved. And a 66 M-m that use to sit in a junk yard not to far from here. Now crushed. I got a few more I'll have to dig up.

JOsh

[Daniel Scully]

is that green and white one off of six feet under??

Not from SFU, it was a clone of the SFU under coach. The coach on SFU was a S&S and I be live this one in the pic is a Superior.

[Douglas Smith]

not as sad as the 69 I linked earlier but here is another. Also what happened to the green SFU clone hearse? Looks like something took a chunk out of it.

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/678/origexterior.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3352/71784314.jpg

[Jean-Marc Dugas]

JM's 69 on its way to long term storage.

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=16&pictureid=265

[Richard Vyse]

Couple more.

[Richard Vyse]

Found a couple more....

[Jonathon Fowers]

that black hearse with all the junk on top is cool lookin in person, there is a vw shell on the roof to build the stuff up with

[Dwayne Brooks]

Here's a few I thought you all would get a kick out of, they're all on display at Cedar Point amusement park for their "Halloweekends" event. Took these a couple weeks ago when they were setting up displays. In another thread Russel Street mentioned one of his former hearses is now owned by Cedar Point, but it wasn't out in the park yet when we were there...

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac274/hotroddwayne/IMG_0811.jpg

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac274/hotroddwayne/IMG_0803.jpg

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac274/hotroddwayne/IMG_0805.jpg

[Adam Borkat]

Stuff from Georgia...

[Josh Gentry]

Adam, i was just about to post the pic of that 57 Poncho, great minds think alike.

Heres a couple more. A 1900's Model T, a 37 Studabaker, 61 Eureka, and a 66 Olds. I still got some more I'm trying to find.

Josh

[Jon VanDermark]

Sorry for the photo quality. I took these pictures on Saturday outside Elmira, NY. The owner says he starts the car twice a year. Once to bring it out for Halloween and once to put it away. I offered to buy it, but he said he has too much fun with it and his kids won't let him sell it.

[Paul Steinberg]

the 1961 Cadillac and the Olds both look very restorable. Are they both still around, especially the Cadillac?

[Todd Merrifield]

The 61 Eureka looks a lot like the M-M Guardian.

[Douglas Smith]

Couple more.

I want the back bumper off the first one you linked haha looks to be a 72 or 73 superior. Mine has a bit of cancer all the way through. It is also black instead of chrome.

[Josh Gentry]

the 1961 Cadillac and the Olds both look very restorable. Are they both still around, especially the Cadillac?Don't know anything about the 61 Cadillac, it came out of Ed's collection. But man I'd love to find it, that would be a beautiful car restored. The Olds i found on some website for sale a couple years ago.

Josh

[Adam Borkat]

The 61 Eureka looks a lot like the M-M Guardian.

Yes it does! That's actually the car I was referring to in this thread -http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3521

It's not a Guardian like I thought it may be, but at least part of my memory is right. It is in New Mexico.

But man I'd love to find it,

Start in a small town called Taos....
:D

[Tony Blair]

Found a couple more....

The 59 Eureka resides in Europe nowadays. Someone recently snapped a photo of it in Richelieu, France.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xavnco2/4979148275/in/faves-87601914@N00/lightbox/

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

It's not a Guardian like I thought it may be, but at least part of my memory is right. It is in New Mexico.

Start in a small town called Taos....
:D

Dude! You should know by now that I've been combing NM... I would've detoured to check that out for you. Closest I've passed so far is 95 miles away - not bad. Maybe next trip. ;)

I have also befriended a vintage car nut who lives closer than that distance...

[Josh Horton]

What was left of a 53 S&S hearse. Don't know how long it was sitting in the woods. I got a few parts off it.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/abnorml_13/car%20in%20the%20woods/100_1722.jpg

A 1995 Kyrstal Koach.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/abnorml_13/stripped%20hearse/100_0263.jpg

[Steve Loftin]

Stuff from Georgia...

What are the two "barn" cars, and what is their story?

[Ron Devies]

I want the back bumper off the first one you linked haha looks to be a 72 or 73 superior. Mine has a bit of cancer all the way through. It is also black instead of chrome.

Doug,
I wish I knew that, seeing that car was sitting in my driveway. The guy who owned it had not paid his parking rental and I had been selling parts off of it, it's gone now, some guy named Zelley bought it.

[Douglas Smith]

Doug,
I wish I knew that, seeing that car was sitting in my driveway. The guy who owned it had not paid his parking rental and I had been selling parts off of it, it's gone now, some guy named Zelley bought it.

That sucks haha. Mine has a 90% identical bumper on it but there are 2 rust holes and the tow truck driver bent it by trying to use that to pull it on the back of the flat bed before I got it.

[Adam Borkat]

What are the two "barn" cars, and what is their story?

More info on the Church & Son funeral home (Clarkesville, GA) cars:
http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1649&page=2

When I took these pictures 5+ years ago, the funeral home's current fleet were all Miller Meteors, a 1970, 1973, and 1976.

[Steve Loftin]

More info on the Church & Son funeral home (Clarkesville, GA) cars:
http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1649&page=2

When I took these pictures 5+ years ago, the funeral home's current fleet were all Miller Meteors, a 1970, 1973, and 1976.

NICE fleet...my kind of place!

[John Royark JR]

I have many pix of "sad pro cars" I have taken over many years, but to see them you must come to an Iowa Hawkeye Chapter event. :thumb:

[Steve Loftin]

I have many pix of "sad pro cars" I have taken over many years, but to see them you must come to an Iowa Hawkeye Chapter event. :thumb:

Where would this website be if we all had that attitude? (We could certainly save money on bandwith space!)

Perhaps those of us that are photo posters could remove all of the pictures we've shared here, and then only display them at various chapter events. How would that benefit this site, the PCS, the preservation of procar history, and our hobby in general?

[John ED Renstrom]

John is just saying he hasn't scanned them and he doesn't have a scanner. here are a few fresh ones' off the junk yards of America. the 66 superior is at a used car lot north of the cities. they have converted it to a limo. the rest are all at French lake Mn. just sitting there giving up parts.

[John Royark JR]

Where would this website be if we all had that attitude? (We could certainly save money on bandwith space!)

Perhaps those of us that are photo posters could remove all of the pictures we've shared here, and then only display them at various chapter events. How would that benefit this site, the PCS, the preservation of procar history, and our hobby in general?

No attitude here, just that it would take forever to post them, it takes me about 15 mins to load each pic with my crap computer, so that is the only way people are going to see them. Besides, I do post pix on occasion and ED is right most are not scanned.

[Douglas Smith]

No attitude here, just that it would take forever to post them, it takes me about 15 mins to load each pic with my crap computer, so that is the only way people are going to see them. Besides, I do post pix on occasion and ED is right most are not scanned.

A good idea is to upload them once to a public place like imageshack.us or photobucket or flickr then you can post them to any forum and have a safe back up in case the worst ever happens to the original. It might be time well spent in the long run seeing as pictures can age but the digital copy will be forever young hehe.

[Brad Ross]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5082116321_df6a799664_b.jpg
1970 Hearse/ambulance/combo made into a parade vehicle. Don't remember much about this one. Photo taken at the 2006 Frankenmuth Autofest in Frankenmuth, Michigan. Can anyone identify the coachbulider? Ambulance rear bumper + step?

[Paul Steinberg]

My guess is that it was a Superior that was reconfigured by Butcherworks... :toocool:

[Cary Livingston]

1970 Hearse/ambulance/combo made into a parade vehicle. Don't remember much about this one. Photo taken at the 2006 Frankenmuth Autofest in Frankenmuth, Michigan. Can anyone identify the coachbulider? Ambulance rear bumper + step?

70 S&S...note contours next to rear door.....

[Martyn Donaldson]

'70 S&S... You can see the character line on the inner quarters either side of where the rear door used to be. Superior coaches had stainless moldings on the top edge of the quarter panels where the metal meets all that fiberglass.

Oops... Cary beat me to it!

[Josh Gentry]

From the Renstrom collection. This one realy hurts. Not only is it a ruined ambulance, but someone could have atleast used it for a parts car.:puking:

Josh

[Jonathon Fowers]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5082116321_df6a799664_b.jpg
1970 Hearse/ambulance/combo made into a parade vehicle. Don't remember much about this one. Photo taken at the 2006 Frankenmuth Autofest in Frankenmuth, Michigan. Can anyone identify the coachbulider? Ambulance rear bumper + step?

someone on the nhaa owns that she got a limo to match it i dont know why when she cut the hearse but who knows

[John Royark JR]

A good idea is to upload them once to a public place like imageshack.us or photobucket or flickr then you can post them to any forum and have a safe back up in case the worst ever happens to the original. It might be time well spent in the long run seeing as pictures can age but the digital copy will be forever young hehe.

Still the problem is 15 mins each pic x a couple thousand pix = close to forever. And this is just counting the pix I personally took.

[Sarah Snook]

Here's a sad one that I saw at CW Coach a couple of years ago.

[Russell Street]

That looks like my old '73 from years gone by. I'll work on getting my photos scanned this weekend....promise.


From the Renstrom collection. This one realy hurts. Not only is it a ruined ambulance, but someone could have atleast used it for a parts car.:puking:

Josh

[John ED Renstrom]

remember a promise made is a debt unpaid. as the poem goes. one more of the why they do that bunch. this one is off e-bay was for sale in north Dakota if I remember right.

[Jean-Marc Dugas]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zyphichore/20553616/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zyphichore/20553652/in/photostream/

[Russell Street]

I posted it in the Pontiac thread


That looks like my old '73 from years gone by. I'll work on getting my photos scanned this weekend....promise.

[Todd Merrifield]

remember a promise made is a debt unpaid. as the poem goes. one more of the why they do that bunch. this one is off e-bay was for sale in north Dakota if I remember right.

Wow, if they can get 50 clowns in a Volkswagen I wonder how many fit in a hearse?

[Tony Karsnia]

This one makes me sick. This is the same car as my avatar photo. I found it like this in 1990 after it had been thrown out behind a mechanic's shop due to unpiad repair bills. The car's owner, a fella who was losing his ambulance service (not Murphy) had come back and stripped a bunch of equipment. I tried to buy the car at this point in time, but the title situation was a mess and the repair lien was large. The car was plenty rusty, but worth saving. Not long after I took this photo, the ambulance service owner (loser, was more like it) returned and stripped the rest of the equipment. I last saw this car in 1994 and it looked 10 times worse. If it hasn't been crushed yet, there can't be anything left of it now.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Here's a sad one that I saw at CW Coach a couple of years ago.

Was still there back during the M-M book signing in the late spring too. I got prolly one of the only few remaining good peices off of it on a trip up to Carl's a couple years back, the Henney name plate from the rear door sill that now sits on my bookcase in my den.

[Tony Karsnia]

I photographed this very tired and rusty '77 M-M landau 3-way in Sterling, IL in 2003. Looks like she was probably a stunning car in her day, with this unique paint scheme.

[Jean-Marc Dugas]

http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/Dumped%20cars%20041.jpg

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/Dumped%20cars%20041.jpg

Jean-Marc, I am almost convinced that picture *is* the ambulance I saw in the 4 corners area (NM):

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5094310267_9f73efe11f_z.jpg

I say this after climbing THAT background hill (and subsequently run/sliding down) to take overviews. The 5700' elevation actually left me winded.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5094308735_a75b5a7134_z.jpg

Granted the one you shared a link to was taken several years earlier. What do you think..?

[Paul Steinberg]

From what I remember about this car a few years ago, it was a Craigslist offering. The seller sent me some pictures, and I was hoping to get some parts off the car. The only note that I have is the name Kelley attached to the file. In the end, I think it went to Pro Car heaven, with all its parts.

[Paul Steinberg]

Here is a Pontiac that someone sent me some pictures of at one time that they wanted to sell. Don't remember much about these either...

[Steve Loftin]

Appanoose County A.S. (Centerville, IA; private outfit)

This down-and-out '72 Lifeliner was photographed in 1994 just outside of Centerville, which is the the Appanoose County seat. Centerville is famous for its unique courthouse square, which is two blocks long on each side.

Here's a '74 Criterion (looks like an ex-Capital City rig) that was on the same property as the '72. That's my 1994 National/Chevrolet 4x4 Type I demonstrator in the background...new at the time!

(SL photos)

[Tony Blair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzixtEMkjNw

[Terry Broussard]

is that green and white one off of six feet under??

It was one I had thought I could save and has since been passed on to my friend for parts. I kept all of the Superior hardware for my Pontiac, but he took the glass and remaining rusty hulk.

[Brad Ross]

Trailer that looks to be made from a 1969 Miller Meteor hearse:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadsidepictures/223788113/

Courtesy of "Roadsidepictures" on Flickr.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Here's a couple photos of a 1982 Eureka Concours Cadillac at a Lebanon, TN area funeral home. The first shot was taken about 10 years ago when the car was still in service. The second photo is as it sits present day, not for sale. :(:cry:

(Jeremy D. Ledford photos)

[John ED Renstrom]

you got to love a man that would rather see it rot then someone else getting any use out of it. here is the 76 MM in the u-pull it yard in Oregon

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Some Post War Cadillac pro-car photos taken about 10 years ago.

1. 1947-48 S&S Knickerbocker Cadillac limo style end loader, Lebanon, TN.
2. 1947-48 Meteor Landau end loader, Lebanon, TN.

Taken between 2000 and 2002.

The S&S sold at auction about five years ago.

(Jeremy D. Ledford photos)

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Here is a photo taken in a Smyrna Tennessee junkyard about 10 years ago.

1966 Miller-Meteor Cadillac Classic Duplex.

This is the only M-M that I've ever seen in person with the parchment roof treatment.

(Jeremy D. Ledford photo)

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Here's another one for ya photographed in a Millersville Tennessee junk yard!

1949 Superior Cadillac combination.

Even had the factory am radio in it as well.

(Jeremy D. Ledford photos)

[Steve Loftin]

This is the only M-M that I've ever seen in person with the parchment roof treatment.

What is that?

[Steve Lichtman]

As posted in my other thread, a '68 M-M Volunteer ambulance, in a junkyard near Dover, PA (York Co.) awaiting crushing. No name visible but had a "York County Ambulance Association" decal in the window.

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4585&stc=1&d=1289590060

And the '61 Cadillac limo in the same yard, with front end damage, also awaiting the crusher. Both photos taken 11/11/10.

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4588&stc=1&d=1289590060

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

What is that?

From what I heard from one of the guys at one of the M-M reunions they took brown paper bag like material wrinkled it up and pressed it to the paint when it was about half way dried. It gave the paint a wrinkled but not crinkled appearance. And from what they said it was a real pain in tha @$$ to do too! It was only offered in the mid to late 1960's by M-M I believe.

Here's what I found via the Phantom Coaches library. 1968 M-M Dealers Binder.

[Steve Loftin]

From what I heard from one of the guys at one of the M-M reunions they took brown paper bag like material wrinkled it up and pressed it to the paint when it was about half way dried. It gave the paint a wrinkled but not crinkled appearance. And from what they said it was a real pain in tha @$$ to do too! It was only offered in the mid to late 1960's by M-M I believe.

Here's what I found via the Phantom Coaches library. 1968 M-M Dealers Binder.

Okay, I've seen that...just never heard it called that!

[Richard Vyse]

Just stumbled across this one with no information.

[Brad Ross]

1956 Cadillac Fleetwood Limousine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39758941@N06/5165174129)

1949 Cadillac (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39758941@N06/5156923258) (can anyone identify the coachbuilder/model?)

Courtesy of "richie 59" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39758941@N06/) on Flickr

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

1949 Cadillac (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39758941@N06/5156923258) (can anyone identify the coachbuilder/model?)

Miller. And if those rear quarter spears are not rotted, somebody grab them!

[Chris Mooney]

First a 1957 Superior the was found north of Bethlehem PA just out side Wind Gap. Photo was taken back in 2007 or so the rig in now gone..

http://images18.fotki.com/v17/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC00852-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc00852.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images46.fotki.com/v400/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC00853-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc00853.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images43.fotki.com/v398/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC00855-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc00855.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images46.fotki.com/v400/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC00866-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc00866.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

[Chris Mooney]

This old Medic Mark I is on 309 outside of Hazleton PA. Was from Plains PA Ambulance and then used as a Pizza delivery.... Still in its present location

http://images110.fotki.com/v1585/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC02881-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc02881.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images44.fotki.com/v1581/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC01853-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc01853.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images108.fotki.com/v1583/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC01849-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc01849.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

http://images41.fotki.com/v1577/photos/8/1293218/7970024/DSC01845-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/chrismooney/misc/old-ambulances/dsc01845.html)Hosted on Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)

[Steve Loftin]

Thanks for continuing with these amazing pictures, Steve! In the last set with the Tunnelton ambulance, there are some additional ambulances up on the hill as well. As least one of these looks to be a commercial car based ambulance. Do you recall any of the those when this picture was taken?

This trip was in May of 1987; at the time, there were at least two dozen limousine-style ambulances here (mostly rusting away). One of these days I'll start posting them in the junker thread.

Jerry Jeffries used to own J&J Ambulance Sales in Markleysburg, PA. The company is still in business but in a different location and under subsequent ownership.

All of these cars were driven to where they are seen here during the late '70s and early '80s. By the time these pictures were taken in 1987, all had become parts cars. By the very early '90s they had been crushed or otherwise disposed of.

1974 S/C 51"
1973 S/C 54"
1972 S/C 51"
1970 M-M 48"
1972 M-M 54"

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

1972 M-M 48"
1972 S/C 54"
1971 S/C 51"
1968 M-M 48"

Oh, to go back there now with a torch, a full set of hand and power tools, an air compressor, a helper or two, and a U-Haul truck!

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

1973 C/B 54"
1974 S/C 54"
1972 S/C 54"
1969 S/C 51"

A few of these cars, such as the '69 and both '74 Superiors, could've been driven onto a trailer with a jump start, some fresh fuel, air in the tires, and a little elbow grease. Most of them had complete interiors, many were missing their fender skirts, and a few were missing only easy-to-replace items such as beacons or beacon domes.

Note the heavily-optioned '72 in this batch; it sports a Unity RV-46 beacon (the Spitfire domes had a tendency to fade), Dietz electric spotlights on the cab, inset front tunnels to allow for the spotlights, two-tone paint, intersection lights, dual side roof flashers, and side roof signs.

There were some older cars here, as well, which had been grown over to the point of not being photographable.

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

This old Medic Mark I is on 309 outside of Hazleton PA. Was from Plains PA Ambulance and then used as a Pizza delivery.... Still in its present location


What year is it? Is it visible from the road (without a snow covering, that is)? I'll be in Nesquehoning in about four weeks and will look at it if I have time.

[Steve Lichtman]

I visited J&J in 1989, bought a van there for my company. All of them were there at that time, as was the first ambulance I ever drove ('77 Ampar Dodge van), which I wanted to buy just for the memories. All were vehicles he took on trade and never resold. By the time I could afford to go back and get the van I wanted, 1995, they were all gone. The running vans & boxes went to a Central American wholesaler, and the rest were scrapped. Ful-Vu's and all. :4_11_9:

[Chris Mooney]

What year is it? Is it visible from the road (without a snow covering, that is)? I'll be in Nesquehoning in about four weeks and will look at it if I have time.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Rt+309+and+butler+Dr&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.885543,86.220703&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pennsylvania+309+%26+Butler+Dr,+Drums,+Luzer ne,+Pennsylvania+18222&ll=41.022958,-75.962359&spn=0.003821,0.010525&t=h&z=17


Travel north from hazleton on 309 when you get to east butler Dr make a R then a left on to TWP highway 367 (your first L) the garage is on your left a few hundred yards.......

[John Royark JR]

A few sad procars in my area.
5946

5947

5948

5949

5950

5951

[John Royark JR]

more...
1976? ACC oldsmobile
5952

5953
1949 Eureka Landau combo (my first one as it appears now, :cry: see article in TPC 136)
5954

[Richard Vyse]

A pink one John, wow! I love that Olds removal car though.

[Steve Loftin]

1976? ACC oldsmobile

I love that Olds removal car though.

It is a '76. Did you get a shot of the ACC nameplate?

I owned three Custom Cruisers over the years, all with woodgrain trim; a brown '72, a dark blue '74, and a yellow '76 (my favorite). They were great cars, and I might just have another one some day. (Steve Lichtman as well as the Lange twins probably have some stories about Oklahoma procar buffing in these cars...!)

[Matthew Taylor]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2952133478_afa98f2c36_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2952133478/)
Cadillac Hearse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2952133478/) by pcsmoroute66 (http://www.flickr.com/people/pcslbf/), on Flickr
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2951282511_ab14ef6c60_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2951282511/)
Cadillac Hearse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2951282511/) by pcsmoroute66 (http://www.flickr.com/people/pcslbf/), on Flickr
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2951282031_a677cdf86f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2951282031/)
Cadillac Hearse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pcslbf/2951282031/) by pcsmoroute66 (http://www.flickr.com/people/pcslbf/), on Flickr
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And, not so much money these days...

[Loren Baldwin]

I don't have a picture, but as I was traveling on US 93 between Lost Wages and Kingman AZ I saw an early 50s ford Superior limo style end loader? I didn't get a good look at it, and I could be wrong considering my limited knowledge of earlier pro-cars, but it looked identical to the 50-51 Cadillac Superiors except with a Ford front end. Looked to be in sad sad shape. If anyone is interested in looking at it and lives near there, it's almost exactly 70 miles outside of Vegas. Guy has a collection of cars for sale there, so it's worth stopping by regardless.

[John Royark JR]

It is a '76. Did you get a shot of the ACC nameplate?

Is this the nameplate you are refering to?
5965

[Martin Harvey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzixtEMkjNw

My friend owned this ambulance, he filmed this video! It's one of his 4 1959 ambulances. He got 2 Hightop M-M, a low top m-m and a low top Superior.

Check out the story:

http://sosfantomesqc.forumsactifs.com/t18-mes-autres-cadillac-ambulance-1959

[Richard Vyse]

My friend owned this ambulance, he filmed this video! It's one of his 4 1959 ambulances. He got 2 Hightop M-M, a low top m-m and a low top Superior.

Check out the story:

http://sosfantomesqc.forumsactifs.com/t18-mes-autres-cadillac-ambulance-1959

That first 59 is really neat!

[Loren Baldwin]

Just in case anyone is wondering, Martin (the guy that made the above video) and his friend Daniel make reproduction 59 body panels. The website is http://www.pbase.com/metalcraftingdl/cadillac_1959_&page=all

[Robert Davidson]

very sad procar

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/110213/226r6/9214hd_20.jpeg

[Brad Ross]

Bringing this thread back to the top to share one spotted at the 2011 Back to the Bricks in flint, Michigan.

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=1742

It is a 1983 Superior Buick. It was in fine original condition up until a year or so ago, when the owner cut off the back part of the roof and added wood trim and accessories.

[Richard Vyse]

At least it was done professionally. :yankchain:

[Steve Lichtman]

OK, anytime you attach Home Depot coathooks sideways on the outside of your car, you might be a redneck!

Uggh...

[Shawn Blyler]

Wow, that's quite the custom job.......it looks terrible. :puking:

[Andrew G. Zajkowski]

I saw this also today while up in flint at back to brick's, brad is correct it was in(fine condition) till up to a year or so ago, only needing the bumper inserts frt.

[Martin Harvey]

Could share this one, picture taken by a friend of mine 10 minutes before the crushing.

http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/12/49/28/02/imgp3810.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=694&u=12492802)

[Steve Loftin]

Collinsville F.H. (Collinsville, OK)
1966 M-M combination w/panels

(SL photo, 1983)

This girl was pampered, petted, and preened in her first life and lived in the garage. She never saw a red light and, to my knowledge, was never used as an ambulance. She was later sold to the Nash-Jackson F.H. in Tulsa where she never saw a day under cover. I saw her last in about 1988 and then on Thursday of this week:

Individual (Onapa, OK)

(SL photo, 2011)

While almost complete (cot hook missing, etc.), this girl is in rough shape. The good parts are that there is no rust-through and the glass is good. Seen on a towing company's lot, there was no one around to ask if she was for sale or not...but I assume she is.

[Josh Gentry]

She still looks to be very restorable. Its a shame they didn't take better care of it over the years.

Josh

[Shawn Blyler]

Wow, what a change. Some people should just be beat.....

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Got a lead Sunday on a hearse at a haunted woods set up close to me and I set out Monday evening in the driving rain to see just what was out there. One pro-car lead quickly turned into two pro-cars after they told me they had another up in the (haunted) woods that had been back there about 5 or 6 years.

They are posted in this forum due to current condition.

First car,

1974 Miller-Meteor Cadillac Landau Traditional end loader.
In current condition can be reversed and put back as original.

Second car,
1949 S&S Cadillac Victoria end loader.
I was shocked to see this one! I'd say prolly 10 years ago this ole girl could have been restored.

I did leave one of my cards with them but as of right now they are not interested in selling the cars or any parts from or off of them!

Sorry for picture quality. Its was coming a monsoon and I took them with my camera phone.

Jeremy D. Ledford photos.

[John Royark JR]

Got a lead Sunday on a hearse at a haunted woods set up close to me and I set out Monday evening in the driving rain to see just what was out there. One pro-car lead quickly turned into two pro-cars after they told me they had another up in the (haunted) woods that had been back there about 5 or 6 years.

They are posted in this forum due to current condition.

First car,

1974 Miller-Meteor Cadillac Landau Traditional end loader.
In current condition can be reversed and put back as original.

Second car,
1949 S&S Cadillac Victoria end loader.
I was shocked to see this one! I'd say prolly 10 years ago this ole girl could have been restored.

I did leave one of my cards with them but as of right now they are not interested in selling the cars or any parts from or off of them!

Sorry for picture quality. Its was coming a monsoon and I took them with my camera phone.

Jeremy D. Ledford photos.

Too bad they wont sell a couple trim pieces of the Victoria. If you get another change to get out there could you get the data plate info for me (located on passenger side between radiator and grille) I am trying to document how many of the 49 S&S line still exist. Also could you tell me the location of this coach for my records.
Thanks

[Tony Karsnia]

The photo of that '74 gives the illusion that the power was running into the top of the hearse. One touch during that monsoon and the juice would have sent you into la-la land! :stars:

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Too bad they wont sell a couple trim pieces of the Victoria. If you get another change to get out there could you get the data plate info for me (located on passenger side between radiator and grille) I am trying to document how many of the 49 S&S line still exist. Also could you tell me the location of this coach for my records.
Thanks

Yeah its a shame the shape the old girl is in the shape its in and they wont sell the car or anything off it or the M-M. I even tried to buy the trim from the M-M! They do have my card and info if anything changes. I tried to raise the hood to get the S&S data but couldn't be raiseddue to the hood being beaten down so bad and I would have to had a pry bar to open it up and they prolly wouldn't have let me do that. The coach is just south of Lebanon Tennessee.

[Harry Evans]

Yeah its a shame the shape the old girl is in the shape its in and they wont sell the car or anything off it or the M-M. I even tried to buy the trim from the M-M! They do have my card and info if anything changes. I tried to raise the hood to get the S&S data but couldn't be raiseddue to the hood being beaten down so bad and I would have to had a pry bar to open it up and they prolly wouldn't have let me do that. The coach is just south of Lebanon Tennessee.

I'd bet that once convinced either you'd pay more than scrap, or better yet, provide a better condition, newer hearse as a swap, the owners would give up that poor sad 49. All they need is a junk hearse to sit in the woods for their little haunted house bs. Shame, because I bet it was nice when left there, but leave an old car in the woods and for some reason people always smash the windows... and then move on. Maybe that's what the bar was used for by the rear fin.

[Steve Frey]

Is this the nameplate you are refering to?
5965

I'm in Michigan, not far from Troy, Michigan. Any chance you could "obtain" the name plate?

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5965&d=1298281692

[John Royark JR]

I'm in Michigan, not far from Troy, Michigan. Any chance you could "obtain" the name plate?

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5965&d=1298281692

I will check tomorrow to see if its still there.

[David Wall]

Adam, thanks for posting the photos of the Funeral Cars of the Church & Son Funeral Home in Clarkesville, GA on pages 2 and 3 of this thread. It brought back a lot of memories for me. I started my funeral career there at the age of 15 in 1981. Mr. Marler Church was a different type person. I tried for years to get him to let me get the older cars out clean them up and run them, but he did not want people to see them. He said "they make people feel bad". The black cars were a 1931 Studebaker (his dad's first hearse) a 1940 Cadillac Meteor, 1951 Cadillac Meteor, and a 1947 Sedan Delivery. After Mr. Church died (without any family left) the Funeral Home was closed and everything was sold and the money was given to 2 Church's and the Scotish Rite and Shriner's Hospitals for Crippled Children, except for a few items which he had given away. All of these cars were given to a friend of mine who moved them to a warehouse in a nearby town. The '47 Sedan has been restored. The man who now has these cars worked for Mr. Church in the late '50's early '60's and drove this car to college when he was a young boy. The white cars are in great shape and with few miles the '70 has less than 50,000, the '73 I think less than 30,000, and the '75 around 12,000. I have tried to talk my friend out of at least one of these and has not agreed, yet.

[Chris Elzie]

More examples...

You can buy this sad procar.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Cadillac-Ambulance-/110744485239?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c8e2bd77

[Steve Loftin]

Individual (Chickasha, OK)
1956 Eureka combination

Hauf's Auto Salvage in Stillwater, OK was one of my favorite places to visit through the late 1990s. The property covered almost 70 acres and had many interesting procars (and cars in general, along with a few fire trucks) over the years. They are no longer in business; the property is 99% cleared, and is for sale. Here's a '53 S&S combination they had:

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

This was a nice, complete car when bought by this guy: :badbad:

Individual (Okmulgee, OK)
1971 Sovereign Limousine combination

You may remember this very rare car being sold on eBay a couple of years ago. Originally owned by Hahn-Cook in Oklahoma City, one of her stablemates can be seen at the top of Page 188 in the Henney book:

Individual (Meeker, OK)
1940 Henney service car

(SL photos)

[John ED Renstrom]

that one looks ready to drive home.

[Rich Koski]

Spotted this one a few months ago.

[Chris Elzie]

I'm with Mr.Renstrom on this looks good lots of valuable parts but those weeds could be hiding a lot we can't see

[Kurt Halverson]

John is just saying he hasn't scanned them and he doesn't have a scanner. here are a few fresh ones' off the junk yards of America. the 66 superior is at a used car lot north of the cities. they have converted it to a limo. the rest are all at French lake Mn. just sitting there giving up parts.

Thank you for posting the pic of the KDOG Ambulance. I remember seeing that parked outside of the 96.7 KDOG Radio Station in between Eagle Lake and Mankato Minnesota. My parents and I would head from Waseca to Mankato to visit my sister that was going to MSU. We would pass the radio station with that ambulance sitting outside. It had a surfboard on the roof, which appears to still be on it in the picture. I think it was called "The Dog Catcher", and if I remember right they would run some sort of a prize patrol promotion where they would pull you over with the ambulance if they saw you had their bumper sticker on your car. Then maybe they would give you cash, I can't remember. I am sure that promotion didn't go over well with the local police! It was the early nineties, and I was probably in 4th grade, but I told myself that when I was old enough to drive I was going to stop by the radio station to see if they would sell the car. Well, by the time I turned 16 the ambulance was long gone, and I bought an El Camino instead (I still have it!).
It just goes to show you that 1. Just when you think an old procar is long gone, a picture shows up to show you that it was around longer than you may have thought and 2. Interest in pro cars starts at an early age!
Kurt

[Darren Bedford]

That isn't a sad procar... the location and neglect is what's sad !


That looks like a quick fixer upper and driver to me.


Some people just don't know what they have I guess.


Darren

[Paul Steinberg]

You can buy this sad procar.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Cadillac-Ambulance-/110744485239?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c8e2bd77

I believe that this car is a lot better than first viewing might lead one to believe. The rear bumper and quarters seem to be most of the damage, and I believe that the car is relatively solid. Being a S&S, it is a rare car, that when restored would be a worthy addition to any ambulance collectors collection.

[Derrick Walden]

More examples...

Is that Criterion restorable ?

[Derrick Walden]

Appanoose County A.S. (Centerville, IA; private outfit)

This down-and-out '72 Lifeliner was photographed in 1994 just outside of Centerville, which is the the Appanoose County seat. Centerville is famous for its unique courthouse square, which is two blocks long on each side.

Here's a '74 Criterion (looks like an ex-Capital City rig) that was on the same property as the '72. That's my 1994 National/Chevrolet 4x4 Type I demonstrator in the background...new at the time!

(SL photos)

I hope those are still around and in restorable shape . I'd hate to see these go to the junkyard and crushed .

[Derrick Walden]

I thought there was a thread about sad pro cars but I couldn't find it so please move this post if needed.

I'd like to get this one if I can , looks restorable . Where is it ?

[Derrick Walden]

Spotted this one a few months ago.

Still looks beautuful !

[Rich Koski]

The owner is not interested in selling.

[Steve Loftin]

I discovered this cache of cars last week while "two laning" in northeast Oklahoma. At the owner's request I'll not disclose their location. None of the cars are for sale.

The 1964 Premier combination is ex-Crews F.H., Apache, OK. Originally white, the only warning equipment was a #28 and a pair of grille lights.

This solid 1969 Landau Traditional appears to be complete except for drapes (the missing landau bar is with the car). The interior, although somewhat weathered, is in good shape.

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

This 1957 Futura combination came from Missouri. All the glass that is there is good. The original spotlight and bracket are intact. The wheel covers are a matching set from an older Pontiac. The engine and transmission are missing but appear to have been professionally removed.

(SL photos)

[Steve Loftin]

The driver's compartment, while complete, has suffered because the door glass on both sides has been missing for years.

The rear compartment is complete (note bier pins in place) except for the cot hook. The streetside door panel is lying on top of the attendant seats. The floor has rotted out at the rear door sill, but luckily, the reversible floor panels are still there.

(SL photos)

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

Steve, the owner of these coaches is pretty well known in the non-PCS hearse community. He is active on several forums and a really good guy.

Here are a couple shots of the Futura as found, then another when acquired in '09.

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/3852/57mm13b.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6849/57mm13.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/546/57mm14f.jpg

I'm glad he purchased this. When it turned up for sale, my girlfriend at the time wanted it badly. ;)

[Steve Loftin]

Steve, the owner of these coaches is pretty well known in the non-PCS hearse community. He is active on several forums and a really good guy.

Here are a couple shots of the Futura as found, then another when acquired in '09.


Yes, we discussed the various hearse groups a little. He was very hospitable (once he determined that I wasn't a scrapper mining for metal!) and we had a nice visit.

This car appears to be one I shot near Springfield, MO about 30 years ago. I'll post the picture once I find it.

[Pat MacPhail]

I found this one in Idaho when I was dealing on my '56 Superior. When I called back a few weeks later the number had gone dead. I wonder if anyone snapped it up ?
Cheers,Pat
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/BelyeaTruckCo/PA130001.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/BelyeaTruckCo/PA130002.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/BelyeaTruckCo/PA130011.jpg

[Richard Vyse]

I discovered this cache of cars last week while "two laning" in northeast Oklahoma. At the owner's request I'll not disclose their location. None of the cars are for sale.

The 1964 Premier combination is ex-Crews F.H., Apache, OK. Originally white, the only warning equipment was a #28 and a pair of grille lights.

This solid 1969 Landau Traditional appears to be complete except for drapes (the missing landau bar is with the car). The interior, although somewhat weathered, is in good shape.

(SL photos)

Looks like in this picture an ambulance painted black in the background. Possibly a Superior?

[Shawn Blyler]

Richard,
I know there was a pic of the all black ambulance posted somewhere too, but for the life of me, can't find it. I know it was the same one, as in addition to the Halloween Party writing on the top, it said "Addams Family" on the side. Anyone know where that pic is located?

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showpost.php?p=62062&postcount=93

[Shawn Blyler]

Thanks Atilla! I looked in every OTHER place but that one. I KNEW I had seen it somewhere before!

[John ED Renstrom]

i just can't think of a way to impress on people the price of a 2 dollar fema roof. why if your intrested in redoing or reselling do they always falil to cover the cars and let them weather way??

[Jacob M. Fournier]

1951 (?) Flxible Buick combination in Northern Vermont. Pics taken 01/10/12

[Keith Snyder]

Jacob....nice photo. Looks to be a 1951 Flxible Sterling on an extended Buick Super chassis. Probably a combination car. Too bad we didn't get the body serial number. McPherson could then track it's history to the original owner, seller, delivery date and service configuration. From what one can see, the car looks to be fairly complete and could possibly be restored - with deep pockets.

[Jacob M. Fournier]

I'd be happy to get the serial number in the spring, I want to stop back and see it without the snow, and see how bad it really is. I was surprised how little seems to be missing, especially for a car in a place that sells used parts. Not being familiar with Flxibles, where do I look for the body serial number?

[Keith Snyder]

Jacob...the Flxible serial plate (usually black and silver) would be attached to the cowl of the car - usually on the left hand side. It will have spaces for the motor number, body style and the body serial number. The numbers will be stamped into the appropriate spaces and these will enable McPherson to tell us what model the car is, who the first owner was and where they were located and, perhaps, even who sold the car and when it was delivered. Because Tom has a copy of the Flxible production and record book, this is the only company I know of that is so completely documented - production statistics, advertising material, original factory photos as well as delivery and specific vehicle data.

[Alex Lohmann]

I discovered this cache of cars last week while "two laning" in northeast Oklahoma. At the owner's request I'll not disclose their location. None of the cars are for sale.

The 1964 Premier combination is ex-Crews F.H., Apache, OK. Originally white, the only warning equipment was a #28 and a pair of grille lights.

This solid 1969 Landau Traditional appears to be complete except for drapes (the missing landau bar is with the car). The interior, although somewhat weathered, is in good shape.

(SL photos)

If memory serves, I looked at and almost bought that 64 Buick. I passed because it had a freeze plug missing.

Alex

[Paul Newman]

I got these from a yard i visited on Tuesday. One is a 70 ambulance and the other i am guessing as a 40ish Buick

http://s790.photobucket.com/albums/yy183/marvin72/Junkyard/?action=view&current=bcd15d64.jpg

[John Royark JR]

I got these from a yard i visited on Tuesday. One is a 70 ambulance and the other i am guessing as a 40ish Buick

http://s790.photobucket.com/albums/yy183/marvin72/Junkyard/?action=view&current=bcd15d64.jpg

The Flxible Buick service car is about a 51.
Not much left of the 70 Miller-Meteor.

[John ED Renstrom]

just a few parts. you need one that door glass is gold. you don't it's junk

[Paul Newman]

That glass is still available if anyone needs it. I wouldn't wait to long.

[Chris Elzie]

I found this one a while back when headed to look at some other hearses. It was sitting behind a funeral home and they said it was not for sale. Sad to see because its really solid car.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6811693237_949b741f10_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15301193@N07/6811693237/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6811684537_0db6bda9df_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15301193@N07/6811684537/)

[Jim Jordan]

That 70 Crown Sovereign looks WAY to nice to be abandoned and neglected like that. What are they thinking?

[Pat Post]

It just goes to show you that 1. Just when you think an old procar is long gone, a picture shows up to show you that it was around longer than you may have thought and 2. Interest in pro cars starts at an early age!
Kurt

Number 2 is funny but true. When I was about eight or nine I went to my first funeral. I remember running down the hallway at the FH and being greeted by the '87-88 M&M Lincoln. When I got home I built a "casket car" out of my building blocks and performed removals from my cousin's dollhouse. 24 years later, I still play with hearses!

[John Royark JR]

Number 2 is funny but true. When I was about eight or nine I went to my first funeral. I remember running down the hallway at the FH and being greeted by the '87-88 M&M Lincoln. When I got home I built a "casket car" out of my building blocks and performed removals from my cousin's dollhouse. 24 years later, I still play with hearses!

I agree. I made a hearse out of a matchbox station wagon when I was about 10 and still have it. You had fire trucks, ambulances and cop cars, but no one died come on. I bought my first real hearse when I was 16 and have owned one (or more) for daily drivers ever since.

[Abe Bush]

I found this one a while back when headed to look at some other hearses. It was sitting behind a funeral home and they said it was not for sale. Sad to see because its really solid car.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6811693237_949b741f10_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15301193@N07/6811693237/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6811684537_0db6bda9df_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15301193@N07/6811684537/)

From "Superior The Complete History" by Thomas A. McPherson, page 342: "1970 Superior-Cadillac Crown Sovereign Funeral Car - Once again, demand for coaches designed exclusively as end-loading funeral cars exceeded that for combination cars and Superior delivered 399 such vehicles of all styles and in all series variations. Retaining all of the traditional Crown styling cues, the 1970 Crown Sovereign and Crown Royale limousine funeral cars listed for $13,239.00 as end-loaders, $14,399.00 with the convenience of a Super-Manual three-way table and $14,981.00 with a Superior Super-Matic three-way casket table. Buyers were given a choice of finishes for the rear roof canopy on the Crown models. With a painted finish matching the body, there was no extra charge. There was also no extra charge when this section was given a black Morocco finish. Should a customer desire a Morocco finish in any other color, there was a $25.00 charge. A parchment top in any color was available for an extra $22.00."

Abe

[Doug Watson]

This '71 Superior has been sitting in the same spot in front of a run down pet cemetery since I was a teenager coming to Wichita (30 some years) ....many people have sought to purchase, but to no avail. At least it has been under the canopy all that time. It's totally restorable, but really going down fast. Very sad.

[Paul Newman]

Nice find, but it is a 69. The shot is a little far from the front lights but i am going with 69.

[Doug Watson]

I was seeing if anyone was paying attention..ha ha. It's either 69 or 70...who knows for sure?

[Brad Ross]

I was seeing if anyone was paying attention..ha ha. It's either 69 or 70...who knows for sure?

It is a 1970.

[John ED Renstrom]

70 it has the small hood molding. about the only difference in them

[Abe Bush]

I was seeing if anyone was paying attention..ha ha. It's either 69 or 70...who knows for sure?

I can tell the difference between a 71, 72, or 73 Cadillac from half a block away just looking at the headlights and turn signal configurations. But the 69s and 70s are way harder for me.

Abe

[Steve Loftin]

Salvage yard (Lawton, OK)
1968 Royale Tiara Limousine combination

This shot was taken on a Sunday. The next time I'm through on a weekday, I'll get a better look at the car to see what's worth salvaging.

[John Royark JR]

The grille and tail lights are also different. A 69 has 9 vertical bars in the grill and tail lights you can see from the side of the car. 1970 has 13 vertical bars in the grill and tail lights are enclosed from the side, and has marker lights in the closed off portion. Also 70 has a v'ed lamp or reflector in the bumper, 69 does not.

[Kurt Arends]

More salvage yard photos taken last week.
Kurt

[Kurt Arends]

More photos. Same 3 cars.
Kurt

[John Royark JR]

More photos. Same 3 cars.
Kurt

Wow, a Paramount ambulance, now that is one rare car.

[Kurt Arends]

Very rare! Wanted to cry when I saw this Paramount! It has the roller shades that are contained within the door/side panels and pull up from the bottom of the windows. Did all Paramounts ambulances have these shades, or was this a M/M option?
Kurt

[John Royark JR]

Very rare! Wanted to cry when I saw this Paramount! It has the roller shades that are contained within the door/side panels and pull up from the bottom of the windows. Did all Paramounts ambulances have these shades, or was this a M/M option?
Kurt

Vani-shades were a M-M option for most if not all models.

[Steve Loftin]

More salvage yard photos taken last week.
Kurt

Interesting; I shot the same three cars - at the same place - over 30 years ago.

The '64 M-M combination is ex-Pyeatte's in Siloam Springs, AR. It was given to the SSFD when the funeral homes there exited the ambulance business in about 1970, and kept as a transfer/trip car until 1977.

I don't know the lineage of the Superior.

The '63 Paramount Ambulandau is ex-Schurman F.H. (dba AA Ambulance) in Baxter Springs, KS. I don't know who the original owner was.

(SL photo, 1973)

[Kurt Arends]

Steve,
Oddly enough, the '63 Superior had a bunch of her original paperwork and manuals still in the glove compartment! The Clark Funeral Home at 120 Illinois Avenue in St. Joseph, MO bought it new on January 26th, 1963. It was then owned by Mullens Superior Coach Co. in Shawnee, KS on Feb. 1st of 1966 when they had an ARA under-dash A.C. unit installed. No information after that date. The Paramount looks much better in green than white. Even in her current condition.
Kurt

[Steve Loftin]

Interesting; I shot the same three cars - at the same place - over 30 years ago.

The '64 M-M combination is ex-Pyeatte's in Siloam Springs, AR. It was given to the SSFD when the funeral homes there exited the ambulance business in about 1970, and kept as a transfer/trip car until 1977.


Correction; this '64 M-M is ex-Wassom F.H. in Siloam Springs. (The car Pyeatte's gave to the SSFD was also a '64, but a Superior.)

(SL photos, 7/26/81)

[Steve Loftin]

The '63 Paramount Ambulandau is ex-Schurman F.H. (dba AA Ambulance) in Baxter Springs, KS. I don't know who the original owner was.

All three of these girls were still in pretty good shape when photographed. I'm surprised they're still there after over 30 years!

(SL photos)

[Kurt Arends]

And you guys could have saved them!! Just kidding. I totally relate as I personally parted out a '58 Eureka 3-way landau and a '56 Superior 3-way landau in the early '80s that should never have been parted out. The '58 Eureka was originally copper in color with a copper crinkle finish roof. Her greatest fault was that she had broken leaf springs! Both cars still haunt me today!!

[Steve Loftin]

This '62 Richards Bros./Chrysler ambulance was behind the Wheels'n'Spokes MoPar museum in Hays, KS (no longer there) in 1991. It resurfaced again in western Kansas about 10 years ago, but I haven't seen or heard of it since. This Briarean had the optional full hinged rear door instead of a tailgate.

Here's a '73 Lifeliner - lineage unknown - that was in a Garden City, KS junkyard in 1996.

(SL photos)

[Richard Vyse]

Saw this on another site and just had to share. I guess in it's own right it's pretty cool!

[Steve Loftin]

Correction; this '64 M-M is ex-Wassom F.H. in Siloam Springs. (The car Pyeatte's gave to the SSFD was also a '64, but a Superior.)

When the fire department acquired these cars from the mortuaries, they quickly painted them white over red (I don't know their original colors). When the time came to sell, the city had them repainted black on the bottom thinking they might bring more money.

Here's how I found the ex-Pyeatte car in 1986...what a shame.

(SL photos)

[Russell Street]

When the fire department acquired these cars from the mortuaries, they quickly painted them white over red (I don't know their original colors). When the time came to sell, the city had them repainted black on the bottom thinking they might bring more money.

Here's how I found the ex-Pyeatte car in 1986...what a shame.

(SL photos)

Looks like that was transplanted onto a military 6 X 6 chassis. Car appears to be in pretty fair shape, but then again I'm not seeing real well right at the moment.

[Richard Vyse]

Looks like that was transplanted onto a military 6 X 6 chassis. Car appears to be in pretty fair shape, but then again I'm not seeing real well right at the moment.

Car does appear to be in great shape and there you go again, a roof rack on a hearse. :pat: Perhaps they thought they could actually "Take it with them".

[Steve Loftin]

1964 Volunteer - United Methodist Indian Church A.S., Stilwell (volunteer service provided to area Indian community)


This car, seen here as found in northwest Arkansas in 1986, was virtually rust free and complete except for the warning lights and whistle. Even the glass was good, including the etched side glass which is difficult to replicate.

(SL photos)

[Richard Vyse]

Wow, what is it with roof racks on old hearses? Seems there are quite a few.

[Jon Power]

'Wow, what is it with roof racks on old hearses? Seems there are quite a few. '

Over here we call them wreath rails and use them for hanging flower displays on.

(picture from google images)

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1848/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1848-209768.jpg

[Steve Loftin]

These photos were taken in the early 1990s:

Individual (Oklahoma City, OK)
1941 Flxible/Cadillac combination

Individual (Oklahoma City, OK)
1946 ?/Chevrolet combination

(SL photos)

[Bill Leverett]

I found this quite a few years ago in Mill Bay, BC at a tow yard. Entire front clip/engine/tranny/wheels gone. I did manage to salvage many parts for Art Gregory's 54XL that Matt Taylor now ownes.

[Steve Loftin]

These 1949s - a Eureka and a Meteor - were in a Great Bend, KS salvage yard when I visited in 1991. Miraculously, the glass was good in both of these cars.

The Mercury wagon seen to the left of the Eureka used to be an ambulance. It had nameplate brackets in the passenger doors and holes in the roof where the lights used to be.

Check out the vehicles in the backgrounds. At the time, there was something in this yard for almost everybody!

(SL photos)

[Jacob M. Fournier]

1972 Miller Meteor Cadillac ambulance - ex- Canaan, NH Fast Inc., and previous to that, Beverly, MA Civil Air Patrol. I was told that until Canaan purchased the car, it had never hauled a patient, only run in parades.

As a side note, this car started my love affair with pro cars, it was the first Cadillac ambulance I ever saw in person, approximately 15 years ago, sitting in the same spot, the trees a little smaller, and maybe a little less rusted, but it was love at first sight.

[Jacob M. Fournier]

Probably the most valuable piece of the above car is the key chain laying on the front seat. The photo didn't reproduce too well - but it has the M-M logo on top and it says "Funeral Coaches - Ambulances, Miller-Meteor Division, Wayne Corporation, Piqua, Ohio 45356". Not sure how common they are, but it's the first one I've seen.

Is the thermostat factory installed, or was that an add-on? It's mounted on the divider above the window.

[Paul Steinberg]

The thermostat on the top of the division wall is to regulate the fan in the rear compartment. Once the rear compartment reaches the preset temperature, it opens the contacts and the fan stops. The hot water valve is controlled in the drivers compartment by the use of a cable operated water valve.

[Kevin M. Lyons Sr.]

Jacob- that was the last Beverly Police Dept. ambulance before the city went to private contractors - Beverly Civil Defense ( now emergency management I believe inherited it) under their ownership it would not have been used much- large gathering standby's etc. When the P.D. got it new it was the first line ambulance for a city of 35-40K people and saw plenty of abuse- Kevin

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Probably the most valuable piece of the above car is the key chain laying on the front seat. The photo didn't reproduce too well - but it has the M-M logo on top and it says "Funeral Coaches - Ambulances, Miller-Meteor Division, Wayne Corporation, Piqua, Ohio 45356". Not sure how common they are, but it's the first one I've seen.

If I had seen that M-M key fob laying there it would have been "liberated" from its place of rest!:17875::071:

[Shawn Blyler]

If I had seen that M-M key fob laying there it would have been "liberated" from its place of rest!:17875::071:

That is exactly what I was thinking too......I doubt anyone would have missed it at all.

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

If I had seen that M-M key fob laying there it would have been "liberated" from its place of rest!

Yard I frequent has literally thousands of cars. Each Cadillac I check has already had the VIN plate removed, procars included. Finally found one on a '61 Superior (last year). Managed to remove 2 rusty screws and ended up cutting the other two out before throwing in my items to take up front. Following conversation ensued:

"I have no idea how much for that. Never priced one."

You have hundreds missing?!?

"Yes, but since 1961 you're the first person that actually asked a price! Everyone else has just put them in their pocket."

Pretty pathetic, those that feel an item is small and needs 'liberating' really. So I hope you meant 'buy'.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Pretty pathetic, those that feel an item is small and needs 'liberating' really. So I hope you meant 'buy'.

Didn't catch the joke there I guess! I'm now going to become a stiff collar and no more joking!

Now, are you talking about VIN plates being gone? Wouldn't the local DMV catch on to that if rusty VIN plates appeared on another car?

As for the M-M key fobs I have about 4 or 5 in my collection. I have the original for the 77 that's in nice shape. I got two more from Amb-Coach in Nashvile that they GAVE to me, one went on the Caddy crest key set for the 73 and I got two more from Danny this summer, one (worst of the bunch and hard to read) went on the everyday key for the 73 and the other is in my display at home. So they really aren't that hard to come by. I will try to get a good photo of one of the better ones and post this week.

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

I didn't think that's what you meant. Happened to have heard that term used negatively too much in the past. ;)

Like those that liberate radiators and catalytic converters...

Some collect VIN plates, others actually use them on cars (along with welding in matching frame number). You'd be surprised what some fetch, all dependent on build codes.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

I've got a 73 M-M that I'm parting out and will be removing the VIN plate along with the M-M plate just to keep someone from placing them on another vehicle as the day is drawing nie for it to go to the crusher! Haven't seen the VIN plates gone on cars in yards here but will look more closely on my next yard run just to see how many are gone.

BTW, a departing photo will be posted to this forum when the crusher day comes!

[Kent Martinson]

I've got a 73 M-M that I'm parting out and will be removing the VIN plate along with the M-M plate just to keep someone from placing them on another vehicle as the day is drawing nie for it to go to the crusher! Haven't seen the VIN plates gone on cars in yards here but will look more closely on my next yard run just to see how many are gone.

BTW, a departing photo will be posted to this forum when the crusher day comes!

That'll be a really sad procar pic.

[Jacob M. Fournier]

One of the reasons I stopped, besides taking the photos, was to "liberate" the key fob. I knew it was there from the last time I looked at the car, about a year ago. The car is not in a public salvage yard, it's in the woods behind a friend's house, and I would be willing to bet that I'm the only one to have opened the doors to the car in the last 15 years. I didn't "liberate" it yesterday, as intended, because the car's owner wasn't home, and while I'm pretty sure he won't mind, I did want to ask first. It's not in the best shape, the thread holding the two halves together is coming apart, but I thought it was pretty neat.

I know that Jeremy and Shawn, like myself and all members of the PCS, are nothing but the most outstanding, trustworthy and honest individuals, and meant "liberate" in only it's purest sense.:yankchain:

[John ED Renstrom]

that would be to set free from is imprisonment to be enjoyed by the masses as intended by the all mighty

[Shawn Blyler]

I know that Jeremy and Shawn, like myself and all members of the PCS, are nothing but the most outstanding, trustworthy and honest individuals, and meant "liberate" in only it's purest sense.:yankchain:

Good grief, I would never take anything without asking first.....was just kidding around.

[Rich Koski]

Although our car is currently a sad pro car the key fob is in good shape.

[Jacob M. Fournier]

Thanks for posting the pic - neat to see the (small) differences between '68 and '72 - they dropped the Divco and just put Wayne Corporation, and added the zip code for Piqua.

[Kurt Arends]

Mercy, Mery, Mercy!

[Kurt Arends]

Eastern Girls.

[Kurt Arends]

Can anyone identify what, when, where, and who's?

[Jim Jordan]

That's a very rare 1954 S&S Flower Car

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

Florentine (sp) Jim?

[Jim Jordan]

That is only the 3rd one of those I have seen. The other 2 were 1955s. One of those was needing everything and on ebay a few years ago and originally came from Kentucky or West Virginia and the other is a very nice original tucked away in a garage for many years. Its so unusual to me that the top doesn't fold. Its just canvas on a steel framework that looks like a typical folding convertible mechanism with no functional joints.

[Steve Loftin]

Check out the '47 or '48 S&S at 6:20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFdpzvh6Vf0&feature=related

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

'47; '48 & '49 grills are similar and neither retains prewar resemblance.

I have a CA friend looking for a set of landaus for his '49 S&S. Other than his description of appearing "similar but different" to later S&S bars I didn't know what to keep an eye out for. Now I do. ;)

[John Royark JR]

'47; '48 & '49 grills are similar and neither retains prewar resemblance.

I have a CA friend looking for a set of landaus for his '49 S&S. Other than his description of appearing "similar but different" to later S&S bars I didn't know what to keep an eye out for. Now I do. ;)

47 and 48 are the same, but 49 is a total different design. You are right, none of these are similar to prewar, but 46 is close to 47 except had 6 horozontal bars instead of 5 like 47-48 models.
Here pics of a 47, 48 and 49.
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[Kurt Arends]

I have had these 8 photos taken at the same place for 25 years and can't remember where I got/took them. Can anyone help me out? Early Alzheimers/dementia, I guess!
Kurt

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

47 and 48 are the same, but 49 is a total different design. You are right, none of these are similar to prewar, but 46 is close to 47 except had 6 horozontal bars instead of 5 like 47-48 models.
Here pics of a 47, 48 and 49.

*Yawn*

Perhaps my punctuation confused you. I was not stating that '47-'49 were similiar, that was a semi colon not a comma. S&S in Steve's video is not a '48.

The '48 you showed is a carryover '47, not the true postwar design that debuted in '48. Oh, that's right~ Cadillac FINS debuted in '48 too (something else lacking entirely from your '48 submission). Many times a car was titled the year it sold, which doesn't make it that year.

These (both original) '48 and '49 fastbacks reside in same collection. Note how hood curves downward on '48 and '49 is straight.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/88/dsc00156e.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4033/dsc01582hh.jpg

[John Royark JR]

*Yawn*

Perhaps my punctuation confused you. I was not stating that '47-'49 were similiar, that was a semi colon not a comma. S&S in Steve's video is not a '48.

The '48 you showed is a carryover '47, not the true postwar design that debuted in '48. Oh, that's right~ Cadillac FINS debuted in '48 too (something else lacking entirely from your '48 submission). Many times a car was titled the year it sold, which doesn't make it that year.

These (both original) '48 and '49 fastbacks reside in same collection. Note how hood curves downward on '48 and '49 is straight.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/88/dsc00156e.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4033/dsc01582hh.jpg

The 48 commercial chassis did not get the bodystyle that all other cadillacs got, they were carryovers from 47. The first new style of the commercial chassis was 1949. By the way, the series 75 did not get Cadillacs new body style until 1950, so a 49 series 75 looks just like a 47.
there is no reason to yawn me, Im just trying to help. Look at the post you said 48 & 49 are similar, i read it correctly! Yes they are similar on all Cadillac models EXCEPT comercial chassis and series 75.

[Jim Jordan]

I never understood why the Commercial Chassis changed to the new styling in 1949 but the Series 75 retained the same prewar styling as 1948.

[John ED Renstrom]

GM needed to use up some parts. what better way then to dump them by holding a limited production body a year.

[Tony Karsnia]

Of course, they had to deface a Crown Sovereign limousine! :thumbsdown:

(DeWinter-Karsnia collection)

[John Royark JR]

Of course, they had to deface a Crown Sovereign limousine! :thumbsdown:

(DeWinter-Karsnia collection)

WTF??? it has lincoln rims (not wheelcovers). Never knew Ford and Cadillac interchanged in these years. Im not even going to comment on the roof ornament.

[John Royark JR]

I never understood why the Commercial Chassis changed to the new styling in 1949 but the Series 75 retained the same prewar styling as 1948.

Dont know why. I know the series 75 did have concept to build the 49 with the new body, but for some reason they decided not to build them.

[Wayne Krakowski]

We'll get it and send it to auction as the Col.sanders funeral coach...:smileflagcan:

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/2098/63crown3.jpg

More confusing than sad. At least this '63 Superior Crown Sovereign Landaulet roof was left intact! No partition either but that could have been removed.

Bet it sucked having bodies passed through the kitchen when trying to have a simple breakfast. ;)

[Steve Loftin]

No partition either but that could have been removed.

With C pillar door hinging, she could've been a 3-way.

[Brad Ross]

With C pillar door hinging, she could've been a 3-way.

There are no locks on those doors either - likely a 3-Way.

[Kurt Arends]

I stopped at Sunnyside Auto Salvage in Jonesburg, MO this week to check out 2 coaches that owner Don Heidbrink had told me about. The first was a '66 C-B Oldsmobile Seville, and the other being a '74 Miller Meteor end-loading landau. Both cars have already spent too much time outdoors to be restorable. I wasn't able to get any photos of the '74 as it was wedged in so tight. Also, forgot to check the back bumper for all of you '74-'76 owners, but Don is supposed to be checking it out and getting back to me. Don wants to sell the '66 C-B complete, but I think that he is asking too much at $1800 for a parts cars.
Kurt

[John ED Renstrom]

it not that bad if the engine and drive train are any good. you got to start some were. how flexable is he?

[Kurt Arends]

Give him a call Ed! You could do this one! His name is Don Heidbrink. Phone number is 636-359-5620. Very nice guy. Just one of those guys that is on the high end on everything that he has. The car is 100% complete

[John ED Renstrom]

I could go for a limo style Seville. the sitting flat in the weeds is never nice. but if it's complete from the pictures and they always lie if not all that rough.

[Jim Jordan]

Hey Kurt, Thanks for all your great pics of your travels. Did you get any pics of that 58 Coupe de Ville I see in the line up with the Seville?

[Kurt Arends]

Didn't get any photos of that Coupe deVille, but did get photos of a better '58 Coupe deVille that he also owns and is looking to sell. See attached.
Kurt

[Kurt Arends]

Ooops! Hit wrong button!
Kurt

[Steve Loftin]

Hey Kurt, Thanks for all your great pics of your travels. Did you get any pics of that 58 Coupe de Ville I see in the line up with the Seville?

Good eye, my friend!

[Kurt Arends]

Saw this eye-sore today in Beatrice, NE. Why do people continue to F&*# these rare cars up??

[Kurt Arends]

Stopped back at Watts Auto Salvage in Wymore, NE today(with batteries in my camera!). This is the '61 Cotner- Bevington Seville that I reported about a couple of weeks ago.

[Kurt Arends]

This is a '74 Series 75 at Watts Auto Salvage taken today after I grabbed the commercial chassis rims.

[Kurt Arends]

Posted a couple of 12-year-old photos of this car a few weeks ago. These were taken today,

[Attila Bethlenfalvy]

Demonstrators shattering VP Richard Nixon's windows during his tour of South America (Paul Schutzer photographer). Caracas, Venezuela in May, '58.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/6919296618_73690037f9_b.jpg

[Steve Loftin]

This 1957 Futura combination came from Missouri.

This car appears to be one I shot near Springfield, MO about 30 years ago. I'll post the picture once I find it.

Definitely the same car:

(SL photos; May, 1982)

[Steve Loftin]

This 1963 C/B and 1947/48 Flxible were seen in a salvage yard near Goodman, MO in 1990. The camera flash gives a good view of the Comet-C/B "double bubble" tunnel light lenses:

(SL photos)

[Kurt Arends]

Steve,
Were the C-B "Double Bubble" lenses something that had been used as taillight lenses on a passenger car from a prior year, or was it a lense that C-B used exclusively?

Kurt

[Kurt Arends]

I believe that the Goodman, MO yard crushed everything when the owner passed away around 10 or so years ago.

Kurt

[Paul Newman]

Saw this eye-sore today in Beatrice, NE. Why do people continue to F&*# these rare cars up??


I think that's the car that used to run around Salem Mass giving haunted tours every Halloween. I have not seen it in years. I think they were called Mass Hysteria. They put a lot of money into that 70.I think they had 2 , the 70 and a 75 or something.

[Kurt Arends]

Shot these photos this week while traveling with Ken Novak.

[Kurt Arends]

Henney Packard and a seriously sad '70 Miller-Meteor 3-way.

[Keith Snyder]

Were the C-B "Double Bubble" lenses something that had been used as taillight lenses on a passenger car from a prior year, or was it a lense that C-B used exclusively?

Those lenses came from a 1950-1952 Buick and were probably purchased from a local dealer's parts department. Using such lenses to create emergency roof/tunnel lights was not uncommon. Many manufacturers created distinctive lights using this method. For example, some Eureka ambulances in 1963-1964 used the lenses from 1961 Buicks to create distinctive tunnel lights.

[John Royark JR]

Henney Packard and a seriously sad '70 Miller-Meteor 3-way.

I'm surprised to see the glass in the Superior still intact and looks to have no cracks.

[John ED Renstrom]

lots of good parts there. I would love to have a afternoon with that 70.

[Kurt Arends]

I forgot to mention that the Henney Packard is a 3-way and it does still have the table in it!

[John Royark JR]

I forgot to mention that the Henney Packard is a 3-way and it does still have the table in it!

Now thats a shock!! You need to get the table, there is always someone on here looking for one.

[Kurt Arends]

How many builders used Henney's 3-way table and for how many years was that same table used? I just remember my '56 Meteor having the Henney 3-Way build tag mounted on the rear floor.

[Mike Burkhart]

Yuk, Yuk, Yuk...... That Henney-Packard has a Buick hood on it!

:4_11_9:

[Don Wasley]

Here's one for you guys......believe it or not, it's for sale and their asking $4,450 for it as it sits!! :wowguy: What a shame for this car to 'die' like that... For my comments [and others, too] on this car see the For Sale thread under '1976 Ambulance for sale'.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=4c3c9d0c21f19be6&resid=4C3C9D0C21F19BE6!121&parid=4C3C9D0C21F19BE6!120&authkey=!ACO9wwXFNnv3F_4

Sorry I couldn't get the pics to post here but click on the link and then you can see them.....click on a picture to make it bigger and open a manual slideshow.

Don

[John ED Renstrom]

the car might be worth it but only one piece at a time and by now had they parted it out it may have been gone. it a shame the car is worth more in pieces then whole but that's the world we live in. hovering like vultures ready to pick any carcass clean. a lot of work partig one out though

[Richard Vyse]

Here's one for you guys......believe it or not, it's for sale and their asking $4,450 for it as it sits!! :wowguy: What a shame for this car to 'die' like that... For my comments [and others, too] on this car see the For Sale thread under '1976 Ambulance for sale'.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=4c3c9d0c21f19be6&resid=4C3C9D0C21F19BE6!121&parid=4C3C9D0C21F19BE6!120&authkey=!ACO9wwXFNnv3F_4

Sorry I couldn't get the pics to post here but click on the link and then you can see them.....click on a picture to make it bigger and open a manual slideshow.

Don

Ed can fix it.

[Kurt Arends]

All the old girl needs is a good sun-baked '76 M-M limo style donor car that has laid outside in the Arizona desert a little too long to give its life to the cause. I say it's worth saving!

[Don Wasley]

the car might be worth it but only one piece at a time and by now had they parted it out it may have been gone. it a shame the car is worth more in pieces then whole but that's the world we live in. hovering like vultures ready to pick any carcass clean. a lot of work parting one out though

Ed, the car is still there, just as you see it in this picture [recent picture within the last couple of months]. I've emailed them twice about pictures of the interior, but as of yet, I've still to receive them....... I guess they think unless you show the money FIRST, you're just a scammer, tire-kicker, whatever. :drama:

[John ED Renstrom]

I don't have time or ambition to part one out. nore the years of keeping this one of a kind parts till the one other owner that has one needs one. but as long as this one has sat around they could have gotten there money out of it that way.

[Don Wasley]

I don't have time or ambition to part one out. nor the years of keeping this one of a kind parts till the one other owner that has one needs one. but as long as this one has sat around they could have gotten there money out of it that way.

It appears that there isn't one bright person in the group out there.....:myopinion:

[John ED Renstrom]

we are all on 25 wat bubs in a fluoresent world that is except you and you haven't snatch this one up yet eather. :3_7_11v:

[Matthew Mahutga]

It appears that there isn't one bright person in the group out there.....:myopinion:

Help me understand this as I may have taken this the wrong way......so none of us are bright because we don't want to buy a junker at rip-off pricing? If that car was priced correctly, I have a hard time believing one of us wouldn't have picked it up by now.

[Don Wasley]

Matt[hew], It seems that you didtake it the wrong way..... I've only been a member since earlier this month and from what I can see, PCS people are AWESOME!! It's the idiots in SLC that own 'Classic Cars International' and their STUPID pricing and what they think the value of that vehicle is worth given the shape it's in, That's what I was referring to when I posted my comment..... My apologies for maybe not stating what I was referring to clearly and correctly....