Miller-Meteor Books

[Darren Bedford]

Just a quick note to ask if anyone has recieved their copy of the new MM book from Amazon yet ?

I know Iconografix has them now and some people have recieved their copy from them.

Today I have placed an order for 8 copies thru the PCS store site to help out the club. They still say pre-order on the Amazon site. Im hoping they get them soon and ship them out to everyone waiting.

I know there will be members wanting to get them signed at the MM reunion on May 21-22 in Piqua. The Amazon shipping date on my order today was
later than the reunion date.
Lucky for me I can have Tom sign mine anytime as he lives 10 minutes from me !

Looking forward to getting the MM book !!!
My first hearse ever was a '68 MM Citation and I loved it. I currently have 3 MMs and one Superior.
Hope to get a Eureka at some point and maybe an S/S too.


Post when you get a MM book from Amazon.

Thanks,
Darren

[Mike Stevens]

The last we heard from Amazon our best possible delivery date was May 19. That in my opinion is cutting it very close to reunion time. We ordered our book through the PCS/Amazon site/link. I guess this is the price we pay for getting the pre print price. When they were saying the delivery would be in mid to late April all looked good. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
I would like to get my book signed at the reunion but may have to wait until Albany.
Here is hoping someone will post here as soon as they get their book.
Mike

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[Paul Steinberg]

Many times Amazon will have a date that is not correct, and the books will be delivered before the posted delivery date. I found this with the Henny Book... It came about 10 days before they said it would arrive. Paul

[Mike Stevens]

Paul,
Thank you for the note about Amazon and their delivery dates. However, I am not yet ready to say 'whew'!
Mike

[Keith Snyder]

Aren't these going to be available for sale in Piqua?

[Mike Stevens]

I think the books will be for sale in Piqua. Some of us old _____ ordered ours at the pre publication price (a lower than published price). When you live on a pension you learn how to save here and there. Now the delivery dates have been moved by the seller. I don't know if this fits the title of planned chaos or not. Just one of those things we will deal with. When I ordered my book the seller said the delivery date would be mid April. Now we hear it may be closer to May just before the Piqua meet. Don't know if the seller talked to the printer or was just guessing on a date.
It comes down to buy a book at the pre published price and save a few bucks or buy it at the published price and don't depend on what sellers tell you.
Mike

[John ED Renstrom]

Tom will sign it any time so just bring it to the next meet if he is there he'll put a note on it then.

[Keith Snyder]

The EnthusiastBooks web site lists the book as NOW AVAILABLE! Link below

http://www.enthusiastbooks.com/?page=shop/flypage&wt=1.00&product_id=1703924&CLSN_1677=127195894216770c9fe517446ed3ffa0

[Keith Snyder]

The same web site also shows the new Weller book as now being IN STOCK see the latest information on it at:

http://www.enthusiastbooks.com/?page=shop/flypage&wt=1.00&product_id=1703923&CLSN_1677=127195912916773806f2b4769af4b568

[Darren Bedford]

30.00 less at Amazon and you also save 4.00-7.00 more on shipping.
almost 1/2 price at Amazon.

Plus the club gets a little commission if you use the link in the "sticky" notes.

(I bet the commision is very little, but I guess it helps with lots of orders.)

Darren

[Dennis Goethe]

I know of at least two that are in-hand now, probably many others. Got it. Love it! Lots of reading, many, many photographs, great history.

The Weller book is fascinating too!

[Jim Tighe]

Just how much is the new M-M book?? I had asked Tony K to tell McP to bring 2 copies to Piqua for me, but now what I think I am reading is that $30 can be saved per book by buying from Amazon. Like another poster, I am retired on a small pension, and each $ adds up. Could one of you shed some light here, please? Many thanks. Jim

[Darren Bedford]

Dennis

Did they get them from Amazon ? I would say no on that.
Likely Iconografix if they have them already.



Jim

Iconografix is the publisher and sell them throught their website or their store Enthusiastbooks for 79.95 plus 4-7.00 for shipping. 84.00 or 87.00 a book
Available now.

Amazon has them listed for 50.37 including shipping.
That is 34.00 or 37.00 less than the publisher.
Available in a couple weeks as they have to get them and send them out.

If you want to wait a few weeks you would save a lot if you are getting 2 copies.
I will as I ordered 8 copies for my friends.




I too was hoping to just get them at the signing but all inquiries didn't lead
anywhere. It would have been nice to have heard that they were going to be available so people could have know and looked forward to get their copy there but for whatever reason its up in the air.

Hopefully there will be books there. (Or at least there should be ! Its a book signing ! Really, how could there not be ?)
If there is a deal or not is another question.
I guess you will just need to wait and see.



Hope that helps,
Darren

[Jim Tighe]

Thank you, Darren. Your info helps a lot. Guess I am really out-of-touch with prices these days. $80 a book? Wow. I understand supply and demand, and "niche" markets, etc., but that still seems steep. I see no recourse other than the Amazon route. Are there any pitfalls lurking with the Amazon choice other than the wait?? Thanks agin. Jim

[Darren Bedford]

Jim

If anything, it will help the PCS by ordering through Amazon.
Look in the "sticky notes" and click on the link.
The PCS gets a little kick back if you order through that link.

Plus you will save about 68.00 on 2 books.



Personally I hope it all goes well because I ordered 8 books through the link to help the club out.

On another note... I used the money I saved on my copy of the book to become a PCS website Site Supporter ! So the site definitely got helped with my order.



Maybe Paul can let us know what percentage the club gets so people know and will use it more knowing how much it helps out. I can't see it being much but every little bit helps.


I will let you know how it goes,
Darren

[Mike Stevens]

Jim,
I have never had a problem with ordering from Amazon. The change in the delivery date for the M-M book is the only snag on this order. I ordered my book at the prepublication price. That saved even a few dollars more.
I used the link that is on the PCS website so the club got their commision.
I will order more through this link. I just won't expect to get them on any kind of deadline.
Mike

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[Chuck Kramer]

Received info from Amazon the Estimated Arrivale Date has been moved up to April 29 2010 - May 03 2010!

[Sarah Snook]

Received info from Amazon the Estimated Arrivale Date has been moved up to April 29 2010 - May 03 2010!

It must depend on where you live though. I got an email from Amazon this morning about the new date range and mine said:

"Previous estimated arrival date: May 26 2010 - June 02 2010
***New estimated arrival date: May 10 2010 - May 17 2010"

Chuck, did you just get the free shipping or did you upgrade it? That might explain the date differences too. I'm not sure where they are shipping from though.

[Paul Steinberg]

Received info from Amazon the Estimated Arrivale Date has been moved up to April 29 2010 - May 03 2010!

Just got this email this morning...
Hello from Amazon.com.

We have received new release date information related to the order you placed on October 30 2009 (Order# 103-617xxxx-xxxxxxxx). The item(s) listed below will actually ship sooner than we originally expected based on the new release date:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 26 2010 - June 02 2010
New estimated arrival date: May 10 2010 - May 14 2010

[Ron Devies]

I will as I ordered 8 copies for my friends.








Hope that helps,
Darren[/QUOTE

Darren,
Am I your friend? When can I get my book?

[Jim Tighe]

Yes, Darren, just how many friends do you have? Does this work as in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood? Would you please have Trolley deliver my copy? Thank you. Your FRIEND, Jim. PS: If Trolley brings 2 copies, I will give one to Ron.

[Paul Steinberg]

Jim

If anything, it will help the PCS by ordering through Amazon.
Look in the "sticky notes" and click on the link.
The PCS gets a little kick back if you order through that link.

Plus you will save about 68.00 on 2 books.



Personally I hope it all goes well because I ordered 8 books through the link to help the club out.

On another note... I used the money I saved on my copy of the book to become a PCS website Site Supporter ! So the site definitely got helped with my order.



Maybe Paul can let us know what percentage the club gets so people know and will use it more knowing how much it helps out. I can't see it being much but every little bit helps.


I will let you know how it goes,
Darren

Darren and others..

Thanks for using the PCS Website store on Amazon.com to order your books. The website gets a 4% commission on everything that is ordered through Amazon when you start at the PCS Storefront. This means that if you are buying tools, auto parts, or anything from Amazon, that once you access their site by going to the PCS Storefront first, we get a commission on your purchases. It is a small amount, but it adds up over time.. Thanks Paul

[John ED Renstrom]

my note from then this morning sais.
Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 20 2010 - May 24 2010
New estimated arrival date: April 30 2010
so they will be shiped

[Kent Martinson]

It must depend on where you live though. I got an email from Amazon this morning about the new date range and mine said:

"Previous estimated arrival date: May 26 2010 - June 02 2010
***New estimated arrival date: May 10 2010 - May 17 2010"

Chuck, did you just get the free shipping or did you upgrade it? That might explain the date differences too. I'm not sure where they are shipping from though.

I got the same notice. I'm looking forward to this as it will be in time for the M-M Reunion.

[Steve Lichtman]

I got two e-mails from Amazon today. The first is:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 20 2010 - May 24 2010
New estimated arrival date: April 29 2010 - May 03 2010

The second reads:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 26 2010 - June 02 2010
New estimated arrival date: May 10 2010 - May 17 2010

So I have no idea when my book is coming, or whether I ordered twice, or what.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

Here's mine,


Hello from Amazon.com.

We are writing about the order you placed on April 08 2010 (Order# 102-XXXXXXX-XXXXXXX).
The item(s) listed below will actually ship sooner than we originally expected:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 20 2010 - May 24 2010
New estimated arrival date: April 30 2010 - May 05 2010

:alc::toocool::boo::071:

[Chuck Kramer]

I'm sure the shipping date reflects the order date. My order was placed September 11, 2009. The book was ordered before there was any announcement about the Miller-Meteor Event in Piqua. Wasn't going to cancel my order, figured it could be signed later. Std. shipping is being used.

[Darren Bedford]

Ron

Yes you are my friend ! but I thoiught you already had ordered one :)


Jim

Im not sure if I have seen you at past PCS meets or not.
We can be friends for sure but I had heard you already order 2 yourself :)


I got the revised date today as well.
10th to 17th of May and I only ordered a couple days ago !


No problem for the MM reunion now for any of us even if you order one now.



Yahooo !

Can't wait to see everyone at the meet, even my new friends too !


Darren

[Sarah Snook]

I'm sure the shipping date reflects the order date. My order was placed September 11, 2009. The book was ordered before there was any announcement about the Miller-Meteor Event in Piqua. Wasn't going to cancel my order, figured it could be signed later. Std. shipping is being used.

The shipping date doesn't appear to reflect the order date. I ordered mine February 17 and my new arrival date is May 10 2010 - May 17 2010.

Jeremy said today that he ordered his way after mine (April 8th), but his new arrival date is April 30 2010 - May 5 2010.

[Steve Lichtman]

I got two e-mails from Amazon today. The first is:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 20 2010 - May 24 2010
New estimated arrival date: April 29 2010 - May 03 2010

The second reads:

Thomas A. McPherson "Miller-Meteor: The Complete Illustrated History"
Previous estimated arrival date: May 26 2010 - June 02 2010
New estimated arrival date: May 10 2010 - May 17 2010

So I have no idea when my book is coming, or whether I ordered twice, or what.I'm sure the shipping date reflects the order date...

OK, I checked and I did inadvertantly place my order twice. Here's the interesting thing. The order I placed last September was listed as arriving May 10. The order I placed in February is the one that's listed for April 29th. Hunh???? I'll opt for earlier delivery at the same price, thank you!

[Sarah Snook]

So much for that email this weekend. I just got another email from Amazon. This new one says that my book shipped and that the new expected arrival date is May 3.

[Jeremy D. Ledford]

So much for that email this weekend. I just got another email from Amazon. This new one says that my book shipped and that the new expected arrival date is May 3.

Me too! I got the same email this morning!

[Kent Martinson]

Me too! I got the same email this morning!

So did I. Things are looking up. :cheers:

[Brady D Smith]

I have had mine now long enough to give it a thorough thumb-through. I believe it is the best work from Mr. McPherson to date, and that is saying a lot. This work is very well organized, very complete, and extremely well illustrated. The print and photo reproduction quality is also first rate. No one is going to be disappointed by This Miller-Meteor Book.

[Keith Snyder]

Another one lands! So....it's really real. Like many of you, I am also awaiting delivery of mine. I hope it's as good as Brady implied. It'll be interesting to hear what others say when they get theirs. Watch for my review of this much anticipated volume as well.

[Darren Bedford]

I got an email saying mine were shipped and I will have them April 28th !
I ordered them on April 21st !

So maybe they packed them in reverse of actual ordering. ?!

Sarah ordered in Feb and has an arrival date after mine.
Something is wrong with that picture.

Anyway, I will pick mine up April 15th in Michigan on my way to Billetproof
in Ann Arbour !
So I won't be able to take advantage of the super quick shipping anyway.


One more note... they shipped my 8 copies in two boxes with two tracking numbers ! Don't you think they could have found a box big enough for 8 books ! I can't be the first to order 8 books at once.
Not a big deal, just an observation.


Can't wait to get them !


Darren

[Mike Stevens]

My thanks to the procar god. We just read the note from Amazon. Our M-M book should be here on May 3rd. Hooray!!!
Mike

:drive2:

:drama:

[John Burchfield]

I'm on the May 3 plan, too according to the Monday night email notifying me the order had shipped. So I'll have my books in time for Piqua if it works out that I can go! (extra exclamation point removed to please Kent Dorsey, heh heh)

[Brady D Smith]

Your post says you are picking them up on April 15. That is almost an entire year away. And if you mean May 15 then you need to call me since you are going to be an hour away we need to at least meet for lunch.

[Darren Bedford]

Brady

You are right ! It is May 15th I will be in Ann Arbor for the Billetproof car show.

I won't have a hearse at this show as I am going with a friend who is building a 1932 Ford hot rod.

I will contact you closer to the show and see if you are free for dinner.
The show runs until 3 or 4pm.

Thanks for finding the date error on my part.

Hope to see you in a few weeks,
Darren

[Cliff Bergum]

Mine is in the mail today from Amazon!! WooHoo!!! Looking forward to it!
Bit of an understatement ;)

[Russell Dalziel]

Mine is in the mail today from Amazon!! WooHoo!!! Looking forward to it!
Bit of an understatement ;)

mine arrived 4/29/10


Russ

[Mike Stevens]

My M-M Book arrived on Thursday Apr 29. Now M-M people have 2 black books for reference. This is art. Lots of great pictures. Back stories we may never have known if not for Mr McPherson's work. It will take a while to read it all but I plan on reading it cover to cover.
Thanks to Tom McPherson and his staff and supporters for this great book.
Mike

:thankyou2:

[John ED Renstrom]

got mine yesterday and had to wait till Kandy got home. it was addressed to her as it's her account. never payed any attention to the name on the box. but then the fuel pump kit came in for the 53 at the same time. decisions decisions . :071::festive:

[Jim Tighe]

Mine arrived 2day, April 30. Was ordered less than a week ago. First thing I did was look up Miller Packards, where I found the one-off 1937 12-cylinder carved job that appeared at the 1999 Packard Centennial in Warren. Packard did not offer a 12-cylinder commercial chassis, so Miller extended a Packard Twelve car chassis for this very impressive vehicle.

[Keith Snyder]

Still awaiting delivery...GRRR. Anyone that has had some time with it now, tell us what you think. Is it any good? Is it as good as his Henney and Superior books? Mini reviews would be appreciated. Haven't heard anything so....I assume everyone must be reading.

[Jim Tighe]

The only other McP book I have seen is the old "Black Book." This one seems quite well put together, with lots of very good photos. I haven't been able to "dig into it" yet, but what I have gotten to is very interesting. Now, if I could just find a really nice Miller Packard........................

[Keith Snyder]

Well....it's finally here and it's fabulous! It arrived yesterday and yeah, there are some pictures used in the old "Black Book" or derived from the literature but, there are hundreds and hundreds of new images that I've never seen anywhere before. And, from what I've read so far, a highly detailed text like nothing I've ever before produced on the subject of pro cars. In my opinion, this is just magnificent. As good as Superior, Eureka, Flxible and Henney were or are, this is even better. Kudos to all of those involved. Now, back to reading.

[William Malouf]

Glad to hear that you are happy with the book.

I suffer from the problem of being "year specific" as I have owned one coach (1960 MM) for 35 years.

It is the luxury of the author to pick and choose his content by preference, and with quotes from the MM Book regarding 1959 Cadillacs like "any similarities these baroque new offerings shared with former Cadillacs would be like comparing Marilyn Monroe to Boris Karloff" and "Although Miller-Meteor stylists must have winced when they received their first working drawings of the 1959 Cadillacs ...", it is a safe bet that these years would get minimal coverage (The 1959 is completely omitted from the color section).
While I understand the author's personal opinion, I think that Miller-Meteor was the most successful of all coach builders when it came to styling for the 1959/1960 era Cadillacs.

No author can please everyone, and this was just my turn for the short stick! lol

-WM

[Keith Snyder]

Yeah, now that you mention it, there are no '59's in the color section! Good point. I'd have to agree with you. M-M's styling for the '59 models was very dignified - especially when compared to some of the Superiors of that vintage. But, you'll have to admit that '59 Caddy was a radically designed car compared to anything the company had offered before or after. I guess that's what makes them icons. While I love'em all, I really like the cars of the 30s and 40s. I guess you're drawn to the cars of you remember from your younger days.

[John Royark JR]

While I love'em all, I really like the cars of the 30s and 40s. I guess you're drawn to the cars of you remember from your younger days.

You don't know how right you are. I too love them all, really like the 50's-60's cars, but have a thing for the 80's coaches-thats from my childhood when I began to notice them.
When I have my 49 S&S and one of my 80's coaches sitting next to each other at a car show the young people look at the 80s one and dont even see the 49, the older people its just the oppisite.

[Keith Snyder]

A wise man I know once told me that you can pretty well gauge the age of a person by the year of old cars he shows the most interest in, drives or collects. I guess he was not that far off the mark.

[Steve Lichtman]

Yeah, now that you mention it, there are no '59's in the color section!...Since M-M didn't take many color photos, most of the photos in the color section are from the "modern" era - restored cars that we've seen at shows and such. Unfortunately, thanks to "Ghostbusters", many of the '59 M-M's that have survived this long have been converted into Ecto-replicas....

[Josh Horton]

I came home for lunch today. When I pulled in the mail lady was in the driveway. As she turned around she noticed me. She said "I put your package at the door". It was my Miller-Meteor book:071::071: I haven't started reading it yet, because I won't put it down after I start.

[Keith Snyder]

Yeah, we all waited a long time to see this book. However, as I read through it and and learn more than I ever dreamed of knowing and see all of the new pictures, I stand by my original statement - this is fabulous. Without a doubt the procar book of the decade. Thanks again to all who assisted McPherson in producing such an outstanding book. He is the undisputed master of the subject of professional car history. If he hadn't done this, which of us could?

[Jim Tighe]

So far I have had time only to leaf through the book. The most interesting photo I've found is not of a car, but of the Miller plant in Bellefontaine. This is an aerial view, looking South. I like it because it shows some of the now-vanished railroad presence. Both New York Central main lines are visible, the St. loius - Cleveland line in the lower right of the shot, and the Cincinnati - Detroit route in the upper left. If the photog had snapped the shutter while the plane was a little further North, he would have gotten the junction where the two main lines came together, and maybe the depot, too. The last time I was in Bellefontaine, about all that was left is the Cleveland line curving through, past the still-standing shell of the juction interlocking tower, whose symbol was HI. There were 3 big freight yards and a large engine facility with roundhouse. Great r.r. town, back in "The Day." I have a tape of movies shot there in '55, with steam engines evrywhere, and new coaches parked along the North side of the Miller building.

[John Burchfield]

My M-M books arrived last week, Thursday 4/29 I think. I wasn't expecting them yet and only happened to see the box when I went out the front door right after dark to ask my next door neighbors something. I've only had a thumb through so far but it looks great. In the same order but arriving earlier were the Henney and Fleetwood 75 books. Because of many other things to do lately I decided to look through the Fleetwood 75 book first since it's smaller. I've been at my barn all week doing some Army duty in Columbia. A friend came this morning to check it out and his two younger kids said the '83 Fleetwood limo was their favorite-they seemed to enjoy the "rear salon" a lot! :applause: Hmm, I agree, a lot of these smileys are pretty violent!

[Steve Loftin]

:my2cents:

What a disappointment. I expected lots of photographs, but the book is mostly text. The photos that are used are way too small for the most part...very, very disappointing, especially for such an expensive book. Plus, too many of the pictures in this book are just artist's renderings from ads and brochures instead of actual photos. Again, very disappointing! The same goes for the captions; they contain lots of manufacturer's advertising rhetoric instead of actual descriptions from the author. Per par for all of McPherson's books, many of the warning devices (especially sirens) are misidentified.

Like "The Henney Motor Company - A Complete History," this book is better borrowed then bought.