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John Zicha
03-07-2018, 02:49 AM
Does anyone have pictures of a 1969/1970s era Cadillac Commercial Chassis direct from the factory? Before anything was done to them by Superior, Miller, etc.? I just learned that even the windshield isn't stock caddy from searching these forums and that it's basically from the A-pilar forward. I found a few 1972 pics on google but nothing really good.

Dave Richards
03-07-2018, 07:04 AM
Here are a few examples:

Bill Marcy
03-07-2018, 07:32 AM
John, do you need a windshield? If you do, try Pilkington Glass, they are still manufacturing commercial-glass windshields in Brazil, as far as I know. I bought a commercial-glass windshield for a 67 Miller Meteor ambulance about ten years ago.

John Zicha
03-07-2018, 08:59 AM
John, do you need a windshield? If you do, try Pilkington Glass, they are still manufacturing commercial-glass windshields in Brazil, as far as I know. I bought a commercial-glass windshield for a 67 Miller Meteor ambulance about ten years ago.
Yes sir...there are 3 locations in our area and I sent them a message the other day. Still waiting to hear back.

Blake Sherwin
03-07-2018, 09:40 AM
Does anyone have pictures of a 1969/1970s era Cadillac Commercial Chassis direct from the factory? Before anything was done to them by Superior, Miller, etc.? I just learned that even the windshield isn't stock caddy from searching these forums and that it's basically from the A-pilar forward. I found a few 1972 pics on google but nothing really good.

There is alot to learn, im still learning myself. Your in the right place to learn though. I have the part number for the 68 windshields but its probably not the same for 69

That number is DW-678 if needed

Peter Grave
03-07-2018, 10:05 AM
Your windshield is a standard 70 Commercial car windshield I would have to consult my old Hollander Manuals for the interchange information I can if you wish. My memory says 69 & 70 interchange and perhaps earlier. If you are not dealing with a crack but stone chips there are commercial outfits that will come to you and repair them do not try to repair stone chips yourself with kits you can buy. You can ruin an otherwise repairable windshield.

John ED Renstrom
03-07-2018, 10:08 AM
65-70 are the same windshield. The other sets are 59-64 and 71-76. A windshield will run around 500 installed.

Paul Steinberg
03-07-2018, 10:52 AM
A 1959 - 1964 windshield will cost about $1300 and about $400 to install.

Bill Marcy
03-07-2018, 02:45 PM
I think I paid $675 delivered and then about $100 for installation, but that was 2008.

Kent Zschoche
03-07-2018, 06:22 PM
I think it would be fantastic to show a flawless restored Cadillac commercial chassis as it was delivered to the coach builder at an AACA meet. That would be a bizarre and mind blowing entry. Do any “unbuilt” commercial chassis exist? I don’t know why one would. It is amazing how many very knowledgeable car people think hearses and ambulances were modified from sedans back in the day.

Paul Steinberg
03-07-2018, 09:16 PM
The commercial chassis in 1969 was delivered to the Miller Meteor factory, with all the dash, heat & air conditioning parts, in a box. The cowl was shipped to them separately by truck, and stored in a building on the premises, but not in the manufacturing facility. When Tom McPherson introduced the Miller Meteor book at a program at the Piqua library, there were a number of former Miller Meteor employees there, and I learned a lot about how the cars were built. It would be great to have another Miller Meteor reunion in Piqua, however, I would have to wonder how many of these employees are still alive today, considering that many were older the last time a reunion was held.

Bill Marcy
03-07-2018, 09:38 PM
I think it would be fantastic to show a flawless restored Cadillac commercial chassis as it was delivered to the coach builder at an AACA meet. That would be a bizarre and mind blowing entry. Do any “unbuilt” commercial chassis exist? I don’t know why one would. It is amazing how many very knowledgeable car people think hearses and ambulances were modified from sedans back in the day.


Kent, I know what you mean and I hate to confuse you, but some were.

John Zicha
03-07-2018, 11:28 PM
Unfortunately, Pilkington sent me a message today that they no longer carry the windshield for our car. He said to try a company called Accubuilt @ 888-324-7895. I'll give that a shot tomorrow.

Kurt Arends
03-07-2018, 11:36 PM
Accubuilt?? I don't think so!
Why would Accubuilt have ever had a windshield for a '69 commercial chassis? Don't waste your time calling them.

John Zicha
03-07-2018, 11:38 PM
If you are not dealing with a crack but stone chips there are commercial outfits that will come to you and repair them do not try to repair stone chips yourself with kits you can buy. You can ruin an otherwise repairable windshield.
Unfortunately, The windshield has several cracks going all the way across it.
Accubuilt?? I don't think so!
Why would Accubuilt have ever had a windshield for a '69 commercial chassis? Don't waste your time calling them.
I guess that's that then lol. Thank you for the heads up. I'm sure I'll come across one eventually. It's not an "I need it instantly" thing, but it will definitely need replacing.

Peter Grave
03-07-2018, 11:47 PM
I will have to check the ones I have in the yard won't be soon after todays 14 inch snow.

Daniel Scully
03-07-2018, 11:52 PM
Unfortunately, The windshield has several cracks going all the way across it.

I guess that's that then lol. Thank you for the heads up. I'm sure I'll come across one eventually. It's not an "I need it instantly" thing, but it will definitely need replacing.

What # did you call? Was this it = 1-800-848-1351 or visit http://www.pilkingtonclassics.com/

I just talked with them last month and they had about 17 on hand for this year between the back east coast warehouse and the Phoenix warehouse. No way they sold that many of these. If that happens to fail a friend has about 6 new ones on hand , but they are in So Cal.

John Zicha
03-07-2018, 11:53 PM
I will have to check the ones I have in the yard won't be soon after todays 14 inch snow.
We lucked out this time! We only ended up with about 4" in our area, but we're closer to the Shore area. I'm ready for winter to be over already!

John Zicha
03-07-2018, 11:56 PM
What # did you call? Was this it = 1-800-848-1351 or visit http://www.pilkingtonclassics.com/

I just talked with them last month and they had about 17 on hand for this year between the back east coast warehouse and the Phoenix warehouse. No way they sold that many of these. If that happens to fail a friend has about 6 new ones on hand , but they are in So Cal.

This is his contact info- He said they don't have them...

Richard.Wendland@nsg.com
Pilkington Classics-Phoenix
7375 W Buckeye Rd Bldg. 2 Ste 120
Phoenix, AZ 85043
ph. 800-848-1351
Fax 623-474-4160

John ED Renstrom
03-08-2018, 12:44 AM
Drop down to your locale glass shop and ask them to order one,you will save the freight. Your going to have them put it in anyway.

Chuck Kramer
03-08-2018, 07:58 AM
The commercial chassis in 1969 was delivered to the Miller Meteor factory, with all the dash, heat & air conditioning parts, in a box. The cowl was shipped to them separately by truck, and stored in a building on the premises, but not in the manufacturing facility. When Tom McPherson introduced the Miller Meteor book at a program at the Piqua library, there were a number of former Miller Meteor employees there, and I learned a lot about how the cars were built. It would be great to have another Miller Meteor reunion in Piqua, however, I would have to wonder how many of these employees are still alive today, considering that many were older the last time a reunion was held.

Would enjoy going to a Miller/Meteor reunion! A Memorial Mass for Tom Caserta at his Church followed by a gathering of family, friends and former employees SHOULD be a MUST!

Kent Zschoche
03-08-2018, 11:58 AM
Kent, I know what you mean and I hate to confuse you, but some were.

Oh I know. But most Packards and the vast majority of 40s-70s Cadillac ambulances and Hearses are based on the commercial chassis. I think most car enthusiasts would be shocked to see photos of commercial chassis as delivered.

John ED Renstrom
03-08-2018, 12:14 PM
the only two CC offered were Packard and Cadillac all the other big builders were off from incomplete cars. then smaller players use standard cars a few convertibles. and built there own panels. the standard miss conception is they were station wagon based. one of the magazines devoted to the Flexible co has pictures of Bucks arriving. they looked the same as these Caddy pictures. cowl forward is all that was delivered.

Daniel Scully
03-08-2018, 01:20 PM
Unfortunately, Pilkington sent me a message today that they no longer carry the windshield for our car. He said to try a company called Accubuilt @ 888-324-789#. I'll give that a shot tomorrow.

Just got off the phone with Kurt at Pilkington Classic at the 800-848-1351#in stock @370.00+150 crate fee. I would suggest talking to him on this. This is for the DW 678 which fits 65-70.

John Zicha
03-08-2018, 04:30 PM
Just got off the phone with Kurt at Pilkington Classic at the 800-848-1351#in stock @370.00+150 crate fee. I would suggest talking to him on this. This is for the DW 678 which fits 65-70.

Ok thanks I'll call him. I emailed back the other person and this was his reaponse...
Not for that vehicle. We have some for the 1969 not the 1970. Two different vehicles.

Kurt Arends
03-08-2018, 04:37 PM
Too Funny!! The exact same body!! He doesn't know his @$$ from straight up!

Paul Steinberg
03-08-2018, 06:19 PM
Ok thanks I'll call him. I emailed back the other person and this was his reaponse...
Not for that vehicle. We have some for the 1969 not the 1970. Two different vehicles.

You are free to take the word of someone that doesn't know the difference between a Cadillac and a cattle truck if you like, or you can take your advise from the knowledgeable people on these forums that are trying to help you. If someone on these forums were to give you bad advise, you can be sure that someone else will correct that almost immediately. The members of this website are the most knowledgeable people that you will ever find when it comes to commercial chassis cars.

John Zicha
03-09-2018, 10:52 AM
Just got off the phone with Kurt at Pilkington Classic at the 800-848-1351#in stock @370.00+150 crate fee. I would suggest talking to him on this. This is for the DW 678 which fits 65-70.

I have to say....all of you on this site are amazing! Just spoke with Kurt and already placed the order! The other person I dealt with replied back in an email that he'll find out Monday if he can still get them.

John ED Renstrom
03-09-2018, 12:30 PM
now they will ship 3 in a box for the same money. you need one for the family sedan get it now

Paul Steinberg
03-09-2018, 06:34 PM
I have to say....all of you on this site are amazing! Just spoke with Kurt and already placed the order! The other person I dealt with replied back in an email that he'll find out Monday if he can still get them.

If you had gone to a local glass company that deals with Pilkington, they could have had it shipped into the local warehouse for free, and you would be saving the $150 crating fee. Also, if you have the local glass company purchase it and install it, they will guarantee the glass for breakage during installation. If you supply the glass, if it breaks while they are installing it, you are out the cost of the glass. That is how it works in the glass industry. I know that you are impatient, but if you had waited one more day, you would have gotten this information. I naturally assumed that you would be dealing with a local glass company for procurement and installation. If you spend some time tomorrow calling around to find a glass company that deals with Pilkington, possibly you can stop the order on Monday morning.

John ED Renstrom
03-09-2018, 10:31 PM
or at least have it dropped shipped to that shop

John Zicha
03-10-2018, 09:46 AM
If you had gone to a local glass company that deals with Pilkington, they could have had it shipped into the local warehouse for free, and you would be saving the $150 crating fee. Also, if you have the local glass company purchase it and install it, they will guarantee the glass for breakage during installation. If you supply the glass, if it breaks while they are installing it, you are out the cost of the glass. That is how it works in the glass industry. I know that you are impatient, but if you had waited one more day, you would have gotten this information. I naturally assumed that you would be dealing with a local glass company for procurement and installation. If you spend some time tomorrow calling around to find a glass company that deals with Pilkington, possibly you can stop the order on Monday morning.

All of the local shops insisted it was a regular caddy windshield. I'll just have someone put it in. I'm sure it'll work out.

John Zicha
03-10-2018, 09:48 AM
I'm trying to figure out if this mess of wires..some not even connected are from superior or caddy. I've been trying to figure them out. But what we need working right now already is even with these not connected. They all come out under the drivers side dash panel.

Daniel Scully
03-10-2018, 12:46 PM
I have most of the Superior parts manuals from the 50,s to the 70,s. To large to post , if anyone wants a particular year send me a usb drive I can copy it to.
This is from the 70 parts manual.

John ED Renstrom
03-10-2018, 01:56 PM
Superiors wiring is a test light and trace. All the manuals in the world don't help much. All wired with the same colores wire splices everywhere. What helps is a small 12 volt charger and a test light. Put the hot lead on the wire your wondering about, ground the other lead to the body and trace it with the test light.if you let the smoke out of the wire you can find the short. But you will have to get new wire because you can't put the smoke back in.