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Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 09:40 AM
I am finally in the market for a hearse. I am seeking a 1966-1968 Cadillac Hearse. My preference is 1968 (in love with the stacked headlights) but for the right car and price i could go above 68 (up to 76)

Im not looking to do a ton of restoration work, but i dont need it to have a pristine paint job. But i do know that owning a hearse means i will undoubtedly have to at some point do some work.

Im looking for something that runs decent, has a straight body and isnt completely rusted out. And i know sometimes that is asking alot.

Its only fair i tell you what i plan to do with it though. Rest assured i am not going to butcher it or mess with its physical integrity like so many sad projects.

First of all if its not black i will be repainting it (professionally, not one of those ugly self sprays).

I will then be having it "spot" wrapped, meaning rather than full wrap im going to apply several vinyl decals on the side. Thats really about it.

I own a christian metal internet radio station, and i hope to use it as an alternative outreach tool at conventions, possibly one day even at hearsecon. No it wont be a vomit-inducing Jesus-mobile. I do have mockup pictures and have had 13 years to plan it, just never had the money till now.

Kurt Arends
11-20-2017, 09:55 AM
A friend in Southern Minnesota has this '68 M-M and may be interested in selling it. Let me know if it is one that you would like more info on.

Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 10:25 AM
Thanks Kurt I would absolutely be interested in more information on this one. I see theres alot of parts in the back. Hopefully the laundaus are back there. Looks to be in pretty good shape.

I'd like to see pics from a few more angles if possible.

Also would like to know if it runs and how well, and on a deeper level how the rust situation is.

Kurt Arends
11-20-2017, 12:02 PM
The landau bars are in the back. I will connect you with the owner. No sense in my being in the middle of it.

Kent Dorsey
11-20-2017, 12:27 PM
Blake, you may already know, but the 1965 Cadillacs have the same headlight configuration and similar styling as the 66, 67 and 68 Cadillacs... if you need to widen your search...

Kurt Arends
11-20-2017, 12:50 PM
The landau bars are in the back. I will connect you with the owner. No sense in my being in the middle of it.

Sorry Blake. He tells me that this '68 M-M has already been sold.

Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 01:09 PM
Sorry Blake. He tells me that this '68 M-M has already been sold.

No problem, thanks for checking

Daniel Scully
11-20-2017, 01:54 PM
I just picked up another project and on the fence about selling the 65 to generate some cash and space for it. Give me a call if interested 760-247-3693 O rust 3 way Crown Sovereign with electric table and a/c . I put in anew windshield that does not show in these pics other than that extremely solid coach. Thanks

Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 02:10 PM
I just picked up another project and on the fence about selling the 65 to generate some cash and space for it. Give me a call if interested 760-247-3693 O rust 3 way Crown Sovereign with electric table and a/c . I put in anew windshield that does not show in these pics other than that extremely solid coach. Thanks

Daniel, that looks good. I may be interested. I may have to give you a call. I dont own a trailer so my main concern is whether it would be sound enough to drive from Cali to Oklahoma

Paul Steinberg
11-20-2017, 03:34 PM
Almost any car that you purchase that is of that vintage, isn't safe to drive across country, until it is serviced and all systems checked and / or replaced. Unless you are very mechanically inclined, you should have it delivered, rather than gambling on a cross country trek with a 50+ year old car.

Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 05:13 PM
Almost any car that you purchase that is of that vintage, isn't safe to drive across country, until it is serviced and all systems checked and / or replaced. Unless you are very mechanically inclined, you should have it delivered, rather than gambling on a cross country trek with a 50+ year old car.

True, I made the mistake of filling out an online quote for car shipping. Got 7 phone calls within a minute. This is going to be fun

Paul Steinberg
11-20-2017, 06:38 PM
True, I made the mistake of filling out an online quote for car shipping. Got 7 phone calls within a minute. This is going to be fun

And every one of them wanted a deposit up front! Stay away from any online shippers, because they will lie to you, promise you the world, and deliver nothing of value in the end, except for the bitter lesson of loosing your money. Stick with established transporters that will handle your car with respect, and deliver it for the price that they quoted you. I have had lots of experience with car transport, and some has been good, and some not so good. Problem is that today, the industry has gotten more corrupt people entering it for a quick buck.

Blake Sherwin
11-20-2017, 06:46 PM
And every one of them wanted a deposit up front! Stay away from any online shippers, because they will lie to you, promise you the world, and deliver nothing of value in the end, except for the bitter lesson of loosing your money. Stick with established transporters that will handle your car with respect, and deliver it for the price that they quoted you. I have had lots of experience with car transport, and some has been good, and some not so good. Problem is that today, the industry has gotten more corrupt people entering it for a quick buck.

Actually they all left voicemails asking me to call for my quote. As opposed to just leaving me the quote on the voicemail, or better yet emailing me. Seems they are a little evasive about estimating a quote without talking on the phone.

Currently have my eye on a 69 for 6500. If I can find shipping for 700 then I might be able to pull it off. Otherwise I may have to let it go. Only other option would be finding a friend that could tow it, but I dont think I know anyone.

Noah Dorsey
11-20-2017, 07:32 PM
And you can be sure, next to none of them know what a hearse is or how big one is. And when they find out, they will want to charge you for the price or hauling 2 cars.

Peter Grave
11-20-2017, 08:12 PM
My trailer hauler (two Cars) just stupidly bought an 05 Crown Vic LX Sport from a Ford dealer in Cincinatti Ohio. I told him take a Greyhound and sleep alot. NO he was going on line and get it hauled CHEAP! Quote $300.00 distance around 800 miles Through one of the big brokers. Took five weeks to arrive and additional $65.00 charge for tolls. Still cheaper than go and get and he grossed around $2500.00 hauling locally for me and others. BUT the Ford dealer missdiscribed the car he would not have bought it if he saw it. Dealer thumbed his nose at my guy so there you have it, BUYER BEWARE!

Paul Steinberg
11-20-2017, 10:10 PM
Actually they all left voicemails asking me to call for my quote. As opposed to just leaving me the quote on the voicemail, or better yet emailing me. Seems they are a little evasive about estimating a quote without talking on the phone.

Currently have my eye on a 69 for 6500. If I can find shipping for 700 then I might be able to pull it off. Otherwise I may have to let it go. Only other option would be finding a friend that could tow it, but I dont think I know anyone.

Put the $700 towards having the car made roadworthy, and take a Greyhound (bus, not dog) to where the car is, and drive it home.

John ED Renstrom
11-20-2017, 10:28 PM
man if they want that much to fetch one now. last on I had hauled some 700 miles was right at a grand.

Kurt Arends
11-20-2017, 11:50 PM
A friend of mine in Beltsville, MD just had an inop '64 Dodge 880 sedan parts car transported from Spencer, IA to his shop in MD for $600. I believe he just put it out on UShip. (MD is Maryland, for those geographically challenged)

Peter Grave
11-20-2017, 11:58 PM
I vote with Paul get a small tool kit, the top shelf AAA membership. a good cell phone. and names and phone #s of PCS members along the route. Ride the bus and on the return trip no land speed records. Spend the $700.00 to make it roadworthy the Cadillacs were good road machines. One of my friends Aunt left him a 70 six cylinder Nova in Central Ca. He had more $$$ flew to Ca. rented a car bought a new battery got the Nova running. Had it serviced returned the rental car and headed East. He told me before he left he was going to use NO interstate highways. Trip took him five days he said he had a blast and would do it again.

Blake Sherwin
11-21-2017, 10:43 AM
Thanks for all the helpful information. I spoke with Daniel yesterday and I thought that over these last 13 years I had really come to know alot about hearses but you guys are on another level. I'm glad to be here and appreciate all the pointers.

My primary concern with driving isnt necessarily the age of the car but is mostly my own ability to stay awake. But with that said I DO plan to take this to conventions at some point so sooner or later I will have to take it on a long trip.

I am still waiting to hear back with more info about the 69 I found on CL, I am hoping that works out, but I keep telling myself I need to be more patient but then the other part of me says "youve been patient for 13 years"

Waiting for more info on this one:
https://southcoast.craigslist.org/atq/d/1969-cadillac-hearse/6349047747.html

Paul Steinberg
11-21-2017, 03:12 PM
Do you realize that the car is located in New Bedford Massachusetts?

Blake Sherwin
11-21-2017, 03:41 PM
Yes, I do realize that. Its way farther than I want to look, so distance is the only problem for me. I'm still hoping for something nice to pop up closer.

I will admit though, patience is not my strong suit :rolleyes:

Blake Sherwin
11-27-2017, 11:47 AM
Over the weekend I found a 1975 Miller-Meteor local in Oklahoma City. Going to drive down and look at it on Dec 9th and see if everything checks out. But so far its sounding very nice.

Im told there is no rust on the body or under and it drives great. Only problems are that there are a few dents (easily fixed) and the gas gauge doesnt work (also easily fixed). Interestingly the funeral home that owned it before had the Vinyl top removed and had it replaced with a rhino liner (like truck bed spray) but it was done professionally and actually looks like vinyl.

I would expect that would possibly help preserve the top against rust or damage so as long as it doesnt LOOK weird or ghetto I think thats a plus.

Looking forward to heading out there, its a nice looking car. I will be sure to post pictures.

This is being sold by the founder of a local hearse club, so the guy has some credibility.

Kurt Arends
11-27-2017, 01:07 PM
The Rhino Liner roof is unfortunate. I would NEVER do that to a coach. They should have just sanded and painted the roof.

Blake Sherwin
11-27-2017, 01:35 PM
Surprisingly the top does look nice, when I have time to upload them i will post them

Blake Sherwin
11-27-2017, 02:38 PM
Here is what I am going to look at next Saturday:

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/75-cadillac-hearse/6400805670.html

I asked him about the top and he told me it was a rhino guard thing. For a spray bed liner it looks very nice. I am looking forward to seeing it close up. I've seen a few hearses out there with bedliner on the top and the ones I have seen looked absolutely horrible, so I was surprised when he said it was rhino

Kurt Arends
11-27-2017, 02:56 PM
Did he happen to mention why he is selling it "bill of sale only"? Isn't Oklahoma a title state?

Blake Sherwin
11-27-2017, 03:39 PM
Did he happen to mention why he is selling it "bill of sale only"? Isn't Oklahoma a title state?

Yeah, said he does not have a title for it. He told me that I will need to file a Title 42 and that they are not hard to do, they just take effort and time. He works two jobs and just doesnt have time to pursue the title.

I've been researching Title 42 and I dont think there will be any problem. I'm actually going to try to have a title service take care of this for me instead. It takes 10-12 weeks to get the new clean title but you are able to drive the car legally 30 days from the date of your bill of sale. So after that 30 days I will drive it around the block every weekend to keep its blood flowing until I get that title.

From what I understand Title 42 is more or less like filing for a divorce without the other party. You post a newspaper ad for x amount of time asking for the owner to come forward. Then when no one comes forward with the title then the court assigned a new clean title.

Daniel Scully
11-27-2017, 05:47 PM
Yeah, said he does not have a title for it. He told me that I will need to file a Title 42 and that they are not hard to do, they just take effort and time. He works two jobs and just doesnt have time to pursue the title.

I've been researching Title 42 and I dont think there will be any problem. I'm actually going to try to have a title service take care of this for me instead. It takes 10-12 weeks to get the new clean title but you are able to drive the car legally 30 days from the date of your bill of sale. So after that 30 days I will drive it around the block every weekend to keep its blood flowing until I get that title.

From what I understand Title 42 is more or less like filing for a divorce without the other party. You post a newspaper ad for x amount of time asking for the owner to come forward. Then when no one comes forward with the title then the court assigned a new clean title.

I would give him deposit to hold and when HE gets the title give him the rest.:my2cents:

Kurt Arends
11-27-2017, 07:21 PM
I totally agree with Dan. Something not right here. This isn't exactly a ratty old car that was pulled out of a field or barn. This isn't the '65-'68 that you were looking for anyway.

Blake Sherwin
11-27-2017, 07:33 PM
I would give him deposit to hold and when HE gets the title give him the rest.:my2cents:

True, I feel this one may be perfect for my needs though since im looking for something with very little restoration needing to be done. Of course this all depends on whether I still feel this way after seeing it in person.

John ED Renstrom
11-28-2017, 12:40 AM
I would walk away. It it's so easy he would have done it by now. Find out what it takes to get a abandoned title at home. If that is simple, you might get a bill of sale from him just to protect your self and go that route. But to deal with a out of state government is never easy peasy.

Blake Sherwin
11-28-2017, 12:22 PM
I would walk away. It it's so easy he would have done it by now. Find out what it takes to get a abandoned title at home. If that is simple, you might get a bill of sale from him just to protect your self and go that route. But to deal with a out of state government is never easy peasy.

Agreed, out of state would be hairy. This is in my state though and he is going to provide me a bill of sale. I have provided the VIN to the service I plan on using for the Title 42. The lady I talked to about the title 42 said that as long as the car was registered in oklahoma and it wasnt stolen previously then there is absolutely no reason that we wont be able to get a new title.

And while I do love the 68s, I realize they will be harder to maintain and find parts for. So I decided to make it a little easier on myself and go with a slightly newer model, but 76 was my limit as I dont want the smaller ones.

Back in my younger years I was in love with the 76's because of their size. Apparently the 75 is the same size anyway from what I understand.

The lady I talked to today though eased my mind on the title since she pretty much told me its not impossible and we can definitely get the title in 10 weeks. And I've waited 13 years so 10 more weeks I can handle.

After I give it a look over on Dec 9 I will see if I still feel strongly about it.

John ED Renstrom
11-28-2017, 02:07 PM
Sounds like. Worth taking a chance on. The parts thing would be the same on either car. Each modal has there own set of problems. To me the older they are the simpler that are. Good luck if you decide to pop for the 75. Me I would run the vin threw the local PD before I handed over any money. Because if it is hot you might not get It back. Or if a deeper look from the DMV turns up something like a lean agents it you could still have trouble but at least you could prove you checked as will as you could before you bought it.

Blake Sherwin
11-28-2017, 02:29 PM
Sounds like. Worth taking a chance on. The parts thing would be the same on either car. Each modal has there own set of problems. To me the older they are the simpler that are. Good luck if you decide to pop for the 75. Me I would run the vin threw the local PD before I handed over any money. Because if it is hot you might not get It back. Or if a deeper look from the DMV turns up something like a lean agents it you could still have trouble but at least you could prove you checked as will as you could before you bought it.

Thanks for the advice, I hadnt actually thought of that. I will call about that

Blake Sherwin
12-11-2017, 11:18 AM
Alright so I drove down to Edmond Saturday and took a look at this 1975 Cadillac M&M. Everything looked pretty good, all the common rust spots were clean, underside was only light surface rust, paint chipping in a few spots but I would repaint anyway. Didnt see any paint bubbling from rust, all trim was there, the bolt for the rear door lock was bent, but he said it can easily be bent back fine. Door shut fine, just cant be locked at the moment.

Engine started right up with no hesitation. Next step was to drive to a local shop I had scheduled an inspection at. I let him drive, got in the passenger side and we backed out of his driveway.

He put it in drive and it hesitated to move forward. He had to rev it a bit to get it to start moving, said it hadnt been driven in 1 month. We got about 400 feet down the road and it gradually slowed down until it would not move in drive anymore. Reverse works great, but wouldnt go forward.

So he drove it backwards back to his house and checked the trans. Fluid was empty. He put 7 bottles of fluid into it and didnt see any leaks. Eventually it started dumping fluid from a hose that had dryrotted and broken (possibly broke when we tried to drive it).

He was apologetic and said it was his fault for letting it sit and they he promises before today he has never had a problem with it. His reaction was legit surprised.

I told him if he can get it back to a state where it drives and can drive to the shop by his house I will pay for inspection over the phone, and if all checks out I can make another trip (still holding onto a cashiers check if so).

I am hopeful that he can get it fixed, because aside from that issue the hearse seemed pretty solid. I am concerned though that it may be more than a fluid issue. Did some googling and sounds like besides fluid it could need a rebuild or it could be a clutch.

Blake Sherwin
12-11-2017, 11:57 AM
Also as an addendum to my last post I asked WHY it doesnt have a title. He told me the story:

It was originally owned by a local funeral home, and the title was in the name of the funeral home, not a person. That funeral home went out of business and another funeral home bought that home and changed the name. That home was in the process of getting a new title when they sold the hearse to an employee.

Said employee started college in texas and had to sell the hearse to afford to move to texas. Thats when this guy got it, so thats why there no title.

As I said though I am hoping he gets the transmission issue sorted out, as long as it doesnt turn out to be a bigger issue. I will have to wait and see.

Paul Steinberg
12-11-2017, 12:05 PM
If you let a car sit for months, the fluid will drain back from the torque converter, and leak out the overflow in the transmission pan. There shouldn't be any rubber lines in the transmission. There are steel lines from the transmission to the radiator bottom, and back to the transmission. If someone were lazy, they might have cut the lines to remove the radiator for a repair. Putting a rubber line in to replace the cut section isn't a proper repair.
Another thing, is that if the vehicle hasn't had good maintenance, then you might be in for a rebuilding of the braking system. You don't say how much you are paying for the car, not what the mileage of the car is. Both are relevant to determine if you are getting a good deal or not. Plan on spending $1000 - 1500 to do any necessary repairs over the next year, since almost every old car is going to need some repairs from mileage, age, or neglect. If you can do the work yourself, great, but I am guessing that you can't, since you are taking it to a mechanic to have it checked out. Also, how much is the mechanic going to charge, is determined on how extensively he is going to be checking. Pulling the wheels (all 4) is important to check the condition of the braking system. Removing the master cylinder cap will tell you a lot. If you dip your finger into the brake fluid, and put a few drops on a white paper towel, will tell you over all condition. If it is clear or with a very slight yellow ting, it is good. If it is murky, or dark brown, then expect to be doing a lot of brake cylinder work. Brakes and steering are the two most important systems of any car, no matter what. Your life and the lives of others depend on those systems being in top working condition. When you purchase a car from an individual, you are buying it in "as is" condition, so repairs are on your expense. A great deal isn't a great deal, if you have to bring the car up to safe driving condition at great expense. Something as simple as a tune up can cost you $200 - 300 dollars, and if you need a carburetor rebuild, that can cost $300 to have it done correctly by a professional. I am not trying to discourage you from buying a car, but to enlighten you to the pitfalls of owning an older car that hasn't been maintained. If it were me, I would be looking for a car that has recently come out of funeral service where the home did proper maintenance on the vehicle. Even if you pay more for the car, you will be much better off, than taking a car that hasn't been maintained.

Blake Sherwin
12-11-2017, 12:21 PM
If I go for this car, I will be paying $4000. The inspection was going to be $50, mileage is 79,000

John ED Renstrom
12-11-2017, 02:54 PM
the th-400 will be fine most likely the pan gasket and one drip a day will lose a lot in a year. nice story on the title and most likely accurate but still if he has had it this long why not get it done. you can find a agent of the original funeral home in the parking lot. as long as they is not a lean or report of stolen car attached to the Vin no one pays any attention to a random exchange of a old car. sitting will cause a lot more problems the one thinks especially sitting out side. but if it what you want the price is right it will cost you a grand to transport the one out of Colorado and you can expect the same from it.

Blake Sherwin
12-18-2017, 12:45 PM
Again thanks for all the advice. I bought a 68 so my search has come to an end. As soon as I find out if the 75 is still available I will make a post in the craigslist section with what I know on the chance anyone else here may be interested

Joe Rackov
12-20-2017, 01:45 AM
Also as an addendum to my last post I asked WHY it doesnt have a title. He told me the story:

It was originally owned by a local funeral home, and the title was in the name of the funeral home, not a person. That funeral home went out of business and another funeral home bought that home and changed the name. That home was in the process of getting a new title when they sold the hearse to an employee.

Said employee started college in texas and had to sell the hearse to afford to move to texas. Thats when this guy got it, so thats why there no title.

As I said though I am hoping he gets the transmission issue sorted out, as long as it doesnt turn out to be a bigger issue. I will have to wait and see.

Probably beating a dead horse here but the coach has gone through three subsequent "owners" and nobody has attempted to clear up the ownership issue? How far in the process did the FH get in the issuance of the title? Did they actually get a title? Did the FH contend that the employee never got the title because they were still owed for the coach? Is the student holding the title because the present owner still owes him money on the coach? Too many twists and turns here and without a trip to the DMV or PD for a registered owner and lien check I would walk away. Seen too many of these "deals" go sideways.

An extreme case here but still true. Three states, one original issued title, title issued by another state by request of executor of estate who was aware of original title (family feud, step parent) original title transferred plates issued in new state, duplicate title sent to original title state, car sold and registered by second party after the original title changed in second state.
The second and third state had reasons they would not get involved and the original state first said that the estate title was a fraudulent act but later decided that it was not criminal but a civil matter and they would not get involved. Bottom line, the son that was the holder of the original title signed by his father to him was left holding the bag even though he titled and registered the vehicle before his father passed and the subsequent title issued in another state to the executor of the estate.

I never put a dime into any vehicle until I have a title issued in my name. Your results may vary.

Paul Steinberg
12-20-2017, 07:20 AM
Also as an addendum to my last post I asked WHY it doesnt have a title. He told me the story:

It was originally owned by a local funeral home, and the title was in the name of the funeral home, not a person. That funeral home went out of business and another funeral home bought that home and changed the name. That home was in the process of getting a new title when they sold the hearse to an employee.

Said employee started college in texas and had to sell the hearse to afford to move to texas. Thats when this guy got it, so thats why there no title.

As I said though I am hoping he gets the transmission issue sorted out, as long as it doesnt turn out to be a bigger issue. I will have to wait and see.

Have you ever heard about the Eiffel Tower being sold? Not once, but twice, by the same person! Read about it here.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/man-who-sold-eiffel-tower-twice-180958370/)
Now, if you are bound and determined to buy something without a title, I have a great deal for you on a bridge. I will sell you all my rights in the George Washington Bridge for only $100. Just think about all the tolls that you can collect in just 5 minutes that will pay back your investment. To make sure that this is a legitimate, I will have a spam invoice sent to you by someone named Jeff that lives somewhere in cyberspace.

:rolleyes: :beatdeadhorse5: :rolleyes: :beatdeadhorse5::rolleyes: :beatdeadhorse5:

Don't give up your money, until you see a title. A real title, that you can hold in your hand, and fondle between your fingers, feeling the paper that you know is real.

Blake Sherwin
12-20-2017, 08:59 AM
Thanks, I didnt buy the title-less 75. I actually bought a 68 and have the title in hand now