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Vincent Donato
08-11-2017, 09:12 AM
Hello good people. I'm new to this Forum. I have to say up front that I am not really interested in these type vehicles. I am interested in all vintage vehicles as a whole. I part them out and try to salvage parts that may be used to keeping other vehicles from a similar fate.
I have recently dug this car out of the woods. It is quite ruff but there may be parts on it that can be used.
So my question is: is there any parts here that should be saved before I take it to the scrap yard?
I would appreciate any input you may have.

Thank You, Vincent
Vdonato@nycap.rr.com

Richard Vyse
08-11-2017, 09:47 AM
Personally I see a lot of items that could be saved. Glass, chrome, ETC are hard to find items. The issue is removing them and storing until such time someone may need them.

John ED Renstrom
08-11-2017, 10:48 AM
Tires is that and N78x15 studded snow tire in the back? To eco Richard glass trim ant thing from the cowl back and inside around the floor. The rubberised floor covering behind the seat the rear bumper and any lights . All 5 wheels if they are the 3 rivet ones they are commerical chassis only. the gurney and all attaching hard ware. The jump seats and the floor souround trim all things you can't get today.


Now the hard part. Selling the stuff. There is a limited market for these parts. most are one year one modal one manufacture only stuff. Others will cover a number of cars by the same manufacture, but not the other builders in the same years. So storage is a must and advertising to keep your name out there if you are selling.

I think would say take a number of pictures. So people can see what you have. Give a good way to contact you and a reasonable amount of time to sell before letting it go . Now me I want the tires .

Kurt Arends
08-11-2017, 11:37 AM
Tons of stuff that should be saved and sold. The spot lights, roof "star lights", chrome crosses, glass, window trim inside & out, regulators, big alternator, jump seats, vertical stretcher supports, roof/retractable stretcher supports, rear A.C. components, Rear door panels and all other aluminum trim, CABINET!!, etc., etc., The rear cabinets are extremely hard to find! There are probably 6 project ambulances out there for every original cabinet that there is to be had. The stretcher and original cushion are worth a couple hundred. The rims, if original and not rotted out, are worth $50 each. Check to see if original spare/rim is behind the front seat. Rear bumper, if not rotted through in the center sections.

Nicholas Studer
08-11-2017, 01:01 PM
Vincent, there is tons on that ambulance, as others have said. Pending its condition - I might even be interested in that stretcher myself! And, if Ed doesn't want those tires...

The problem for most of the trim, glass, etc. is not the rarity, but the demand! You're selling to a very small population. More importantly, unless someone out there has a Superior of that approximate vintage they are working on RIGHT NOW - the parts specific to that coach-builder and age will be hard to easily sell. Folks don't buy stuff that specific until they need it. It is a quandary - I wish PCS had a "parts bank" or similar where we could put together stuff pending a project but there isn't such a thing.

Ambulances of this vintage are and will be getting harder and harder to find. Thank you for pulling this one out of where it was rotting. Please do be patient and not let all those parts be lost.

Richard Vyse
08-11-2017, 04:44 PM
Rear bumper center section but you're a long way off knowing shipping would be murderous. :eek: Mine is still a mess. I did get both sections from Jeremy but used one for a Criterion I had.

Kurt Arends
08-11-2017, 05:32 PM
Rear bumper center section but you're a long way off knowing shipping would be murderous. :eek: Mine is still a mess. I did get both sections from Jeremy but used one for a Criterion I had.

Richard,
Have you checked back with Ed on the '71 or '72 M-M that is in the yard up by Rapid City? Shipping would not be that big of a deal if you are only shipping the 2 bars with nothing attached.

I have never seen a bumper rust out in the center where yours rusted through!

Bill Marcy
08-11-2017, 09:43 PM
It sure is nice that Vincent is taking the time to offer this car up for parts to those of us on this site. Think long and hard, if you need anything, don't let these unique and hard to find Superior parts and pieces get away. BTW, Vincent accepts Paypal, so that makes paying easy.

Clay Sellick
08-12-2017, 07:02 AM
If your close to New brunswick, Canada, I would be interested in whole car. I would love to try to bring this car back. It probably could never be back to original but I would like to make something out of it respectable at least.

Vincent Donato
08-12-2017, 09:35 AM
In my opinion, it is past the point of no return.

Vincent Donato
08-12-2017, 09:51 AM
John, the snow tires are 8.90-15. 2 pair. 1 pair studded the other not. Do they have any value?

Richard, My rear bumper does not look like that.

Bill, I sent you some photos.

Thank you all,
Vincent

John ED Renstrom
08-12-2017, 10:27 AM
If the are banded togather in pairs they will! Ship UPS. But value is up to the seller raidales in the yard here are around 25-50. The big 17-20s a little more. So what is the value of a 50 year old tire. me I would offer 25 bucks each. Your Ida may be different but by the time I pay to get them here that's a lot to. Have it in original tires at a local show. . There is one molding I need off the car but it is at least a hr task to get it off. I'll pm you.

Kurt Arends
08-12-2017, 11:59 AM
That must have been fun just getting it drug onto your trailer! I have fought that battle. They never pull straight with flat tires. I see that your leaf springs broke loose on the driver's side too.

Interior looks to be very save-able...... but I am sure that you are right on the body, floors, frame, etc. There are guys restoring rigs of that vintage(with good bodies and butchered interiors) that would kill for the interior in this one!

Vincent Donato
08-12-2017, 02:57 PM
Kurt, it took me more than 2 1/2 hrs. to get it on the trailer. And you're right, it did not come on straight. The rear end and the rear frame section is no longer even attached to the rest of the car. If you look closely you can see that the rear bumper is about 10" back from the body.
I started dismantling it today.

Kurt Arends
08-12-2017, 05:49 PM
Vincent,
A friend of mine & I paid $1500 for a '74 Superior 54" ambulance parts car............ basically just to get the original cabinet in the rear.

That cabinet is probably worth as much as $500 to someone that desperately needs one. The cabinet is usually the first thing tossed by every hillbilly who thinks he is going to turn an ambulance into a "limo". They usually loose interest in the "project" and look to sell it shortly after having burned the cabinet! As I mentioned earlier....... there is probably 1 cabinet in existence for every 5 deserving restoration projects out there.

David Henry
08-12-2017, 10:17 PM
I would be interested in both spot lights

Bill Marcy
08-13-2017, 09:28 PM
I got a few items from this 68. Even if I cannot use anything myself, I hated to see these somewhat hard-to-find bits and pieces go to the crusher. I am a sentimental preservationist, I guess you could say.

Kurt Arends
08-13-2017, 09:46 PM
I got a few items from this 68. Even if I cannot use anything myself, I hated to see these somewhat hard-to-find bits and pieces go to the crusher. I am a sentimental preservationist, I guess you could say.

I have, and continue to do that with complete cars! Everything inside of that rig should be saved!

Peter Grave
08-14-2017, 12:06 AM
I am glad Vincent found PCS. I bought this on ebay (263095331271) a week or two ago for $260.00 to save it from the crusher. My rollback driver said I don't get paid to do forestry work I drive a truck you have to come along and do the work with me. Sadly I am having heath issues at the moment and could not do it. The seller Brian said he had someone who would take it and cancelled the sale. Vincent must have been that guy. A tip of my hat for not going strait to the crusher with it as so many would have done. From what Brian told my driver Vincent is understating the effort required to get the rig on his trailer.

Rich Koski
08-14-2017, 05:57 AM
I agree with everyone that says to save as much as you can. The only suggestion I might add is to label everything. Here is a thread where we stripped a 1974 Superior. http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12005. The car appeared saveable but the owner had other ideas. We have sold many of the parts but still have some. We boxed up the small stuff so it doesn't get mixed in with the other pro car parts we have around. Labeling with year, manufacturer, location(which side) a part came from can help down the road when you go looking for a part.

Kurt Arends
08-14-2017, 07:54 PM
The aluminum sheeting on the door panels and inner quarter panels is also definitely worth saving if not all beat up or corroded. Many end up just covering their door panels with vinyl, due to these panels being in such rough condition(which I do not care for). The best way to save/store it is on the panel that it was attached to.

Vincent Donato
08-17-2017, 07:01 PM
The car is looking much different than it did a week ago. Not so much on the outside but definitely on the inside. There are still a few things I need remove. Monday is it's last day.

Kurt Arends
08-17-2017, 07:28 PM
Save the front bumper ends, if not rotted through. Save any doors that aren't rotted out on the bottoms. Save the cabinet header.

John ED Renstrom
08-17-2017, 09:53 PM
was there a engine in it? never mind it would have been the 472 in 68 will I can see she has given up a lot of good stuff. give it a 5 finger salute when it goes.

Tim Prieur
08-17-2017, 11:22 PM
Vincent, thank you for taking the effort to find the PCS. Everything saved will hopefully find a good home.:thumbsup:

Richard Vyse
08-18-2017, 06:51 AM
Richard, My rear bumper does not look like that.

I know but my guy could cut it and make it work inserting my center step.

Vincent Donato
08-18-2017, 03:33 PM
Ok Richard, I'll send you some photos. Send me your email address.

Vincent

Russell Street
08-18-2017, 06:30 PM
Thanks for your good efforts, much appreciated!!!!

Vincent Donato
08-20-2017, 09:11 AM
Richard, Here are a few photos of the center piece of the rear bumper.
Let me know what you think.

Kurt Arends
08-20-2017, 12:14 PM
Vincent,
I believe that Richard is looking for the long section with the back up light to the left of the piece in your photo. It's still good that you saved that center license plate mount as they were prone to getting dented/hit as well.

Make sure that you save the painted pot metal head light doors as well(if good) as they were prone to getting bumped and cracked with the way they stuck out on the corners. Also, save the chrome-plated headlight surrounds too if not badly pitted.

Bill Marcy
08-20-2017, 05:37 PM
Lucille and I drove to Voorheesville, NY to collect our parts. We met Vincent, his wife and their Alaskan Malamute dog. They are very nice! My parts are great and I am very happy with the deal we made for them. I will post a picture of my parts later.

Honestly, the ambulance is rougher than you could imagine, as far as the body. However, it yielded many good parts. Vincent still has a number of parts still for sale. Worthy of mention, he has a real nice stretcher, with a good, clean mattress. He also has a very decent pair of jump seats. If you need anything, don't hesitate to buy from Vincent, his pictures of items are excellent, he is a straight-shooter guy and he accepts Paypal. Get it while it is still available!

My hat is off to Vincent, for thinking enough to save and offer to us, these hard=to-find parts. Thank you very much Vincent!

Kurt Arends
08-20-2017, 07:01 PM
Boy you're not kidding on the awesome photos Bill! These are the photos that Vincent sent me of the alternator! Incredible detail!

If you can use anything off of this rig, speak up! Vincent is very fair!

Bill Marcy
08-20-2017, 07:29 PM
Here are some pictures of what we bought.

1 Rear loading door glass and both corner glass windows

2 Heater/AC, ETC switch panel

3 An Emergency switch panel in the rear compartment

4 A pair of sun visors, which I needed. A black rubber antenna and a whip-type antenna

Some of these items I bought to use, the rest of the stuff I bought just in case someone needs it someday. Like they say on American Pickers "the time to buy it is when you see it" This stuff might be around, but I thought it was worth saving.

Kurt Arends
08-20-2017, 08:50 PM
Bill,
Let me know if you decide to part with the rear emergency light switches. I could use those for my '75 Superior 54" ambulance.

John ED Renstrom
08-20-2017, 09:55 PM
this is the part Richard is needing. believe it or not they used this same sections for both the ambulance and the Hearse from 66 to 73. small changes in the back up lights is about it. as in Richards case they cut the center section back and drilled a set of holes in them for the step. the bumper ends are commercial chassis only also. the taillights are standard Caddy stuff. I lost a cup of coffee on a bet on bumper ends one time

Kurt Arends
08-21-2017, 12:34 AM
Bumper ends depend on the year Ed. Most years they are the same and have a transition piece.

John ED Renstrom
08-21-2017, 01:25 AM
That is what I thought. I got proven wrong on the 71-73 at least the 4-6 use the transition piece. I really don't know about the 66-70 never had to go look for one of. Them

Daniel Scully
08-21-2017, 02:08 AM
65-73 Do not have a transition piece. The taillight ends are a commercial part. The basic taillight housing is the same as the passenger car of the same year. The CC taillight housing is made to fit the cc bumper. You can see this in the pics of the 72 bumper ends below.

Kurt Arends
08-21-2017, 08:46 AM
So make sure that you save the entire rear bumper, Vincent!

Vincent Donato
08-21-2017, 12:15 PM
Sadly, most parts of the rear bumper have rust thru issues.
Including the side Richard needs.
The car has now gone on to a better place.
Thank you all for your help. If I come across another one you folks will be the first to know.
Vincent

Richard Vyse
08-21-2017, 02:04 PM
Sadly, most parts of the rear bumper have rust thru issues.
Including the side Richard needs.
The car has now gone on to a better place.
Thank you all for your help. If I come across another one you folks will be the first to know.
Vincent

Thanks for sharing Vincent...

John ED Renstrom
08-21-2017, 11:01 PM
the things you sent me threw Fasten all are in got the call this morning. now that was fairly fast shipping.

Vincent Donato
08-22-2017, 06:58 AM
John, That was pretty quick. I've had pretty good luck with Fastenal.
Now I hope you can use them.

Kurt Arends
08-22-2017, 06:55 PM
I had not heard of Fastenal doing shipping before. Glad to know that is an option as well.

Brady D Smith
08-22-2017, 07:57 PM
I have used them several times and I've always been delighted with both the cost and the speed of their shipping.

Kurt Arends
08-23-2017, 06:25 PM
Thank you Bill Marcy for passing along the rear emergency switch panel from the '68 Superior to me. I had not seen one of these before that was installed from the factory. I look forward to putting it in my '75 54" ambulance! It will mate up to the identical red, amber, & green "bee hive" lights on my console in the front.

Kurt Arends
08-23-2017, 06:28 PM
Photo of switch panel.

John ED Renstrom
08-23-2017, 10:00 PM
got bush and cleaned up my load of stuff today. I'm not sure what or how I'll use the snow tires maybe put white walls on the jeep. as I was told the New York weather was kind of hard on the wheels still on the ground but they will do there part as spares. anyone heard of this manufacture

John ED Renstrom
08-23-2017, 10:02 PM
now if I can find he picture with the name on it

Kurt Arends
08-23-2017, 10:59 PM
Good score on some good tires Ed! How many of these were there? Looked like 6 in the photos. Denman is definitely a good name.

John ED Renstrom
08-24-2017, 10:36 AM
We picked up all of them. So it was 5 snows and 2 straight with 3 wheels. But the bad news is the straight tread were left on the car and the wheels will be deceration or spairs only. These will fill the bill as stactic desplay picture taking tires. Look great as spairs in the car stuff. I now need another tire rack. The difference in appearance in these tires vers the L87 I have on the 72 is night and day. I don't understand if your going to reproduce stuff why you can't make it look original.