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Paul Steinberg
05-18-2017, 12:12 AM
Viewer warning.... Lots of old ambulances, with lots of injured people. Not for the faint of heart viewers.

Red Asphalt (1960)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzuXZPO06E

Signal 30 - 1959 US Driver Safety & Education Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGPz2a5P_E

Wayne Krakowski
05-18-2017, 09:34 AM
and drivers still have not learned,almost as if bad driver skills are hereditary

John ED Renstrom
05-18-2017, 10:59 AM
the gather the classes up and show the death film event. they had me so scared that i would not go to Ohio or Calf on a bet.

the latest set of ford adds take it to a high level though. showing a parent teaching they child to drive and bragging how they don't need to pay attention as the car will keep them out of trouble with there new safety features.

Richard Vyse
05-18-2017, 12:17 PM
Got to love those first aid techniques.

Walter Suiter
05-18-2017, 02:10 PM
Got to love those first aid techniques.

Different world my friend. Different times in a different world.

When is the last time you waited for a cutting torch to come to the wreck and cut the victim out?
When hauling a victim containing a steering wheel shaft, try to convince the torch guy to cut the wheel off too so the gurney isn't damaged, and pad patient with pillows and rolled blankets to prevent equipment damage.

How much First Aid could be rendered with 6 bandages,triangular, a dozen rolls of gauze and some splints?

Wayne Krakowski
05-18-2017, 04:11 PM
You did the best you could with what you had and hoped like hell you got them to the hospital intact,by and large I think we did well.

Bruce Oliphant
05-18-2017, 04:51 PM
Sometimes the accelerator was the best medicine.

John ED Renstrom
05-18-2017, 09:33 PM
simple stabilize and transport. provide comfort in rout.

Tim Prieur
05-18-2017, 10:31 PM
Bigger than the change in pre-hospital care since these were produced is the that in vehicle design. My family was rear ended three years ago, in my sons new car. The police estimated the effective speed of collision at about 50 mph. We all walked away with sore muscles. In 1960 it would have been a different story.

Unfortunately, the impact of the drivers is if anything worse. There were no cell phones to deal with.

Derrick Walden
05-19-2017, 12:30 AM
This was many moons ago before backboards , and C-collars were required equipment on ambulances and before the introduction of EMTs and paramedics .

Walter Suiter
05-19-2017, 01:52 AM
This one was yesterday.

Troop car sitting still got whacked by a pickup doing 50-60 mph.

Trooper was in the car on his MDT, not belted in, so he got bounced around, and took some injury. Notice the driver door is in tact, and was operable to get the Trooper out. Design to crush and absorb energy works.

1960, no way in hell. Seatbelts didn't begin to get common till 62 when Chevron Oil started selling them in every station for $2.95 installed around here.

Derrick Walden
05-19-2017, 10:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju9Pb93pUu4

Paul Steinberg
05-20-2017, 03:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g2gp_NiWVc

Walter Suiter
05-20-2017, 02:57 PM
Anyone else remember around 67 when about 50 miles of the NE Extension of the Pa Turnpike was paved with a dark red asphalt?

Kurt Arends
05-20-2017, 05:01 PM
We see quite a lot of red asphalt(literally) in this part of the world as some asphalt paving companies use crushed "Sioux Quartzite" in their mix which is quarried near Sioux Falls, SD. It appears more red as it weathers.

Russell Street
05-20-2017, 05:18 PM
Anyone else remember around 67 when about 50 miles of the NE Extension of the Pa Turnpike was paved with a dark red asphalt?

There are still several areas of I-80 up in the Poconos that have red asphalt. For whatever reason some of the best parts of I-80 in PA.

Russell Street
05-21-2017, 06:36 PM
Most all of Signal 30 was shot in the Mansfield, Ohio area by a man by the name of McCreary (H.H.) I believe. He lived in Norwalk just down the street from us. He was an Ohio State Highway Patrol Auxillary back in the days when they still had them. They wore different uniforms and hats, did not carry weapons or have any arrest powers. Strictly a support role.

He shot several of these including Mechanized Death, and I believe, Death On The Highway.

Victor Baca
05-23-2017, 05:01 PM
Yeah, I remember these snuff films from the 60s. We had to watch them in driver's ed class. But the real stuff I remember from my childhood in the 50s was far worse. Seeing what's left on the roadway after a family is strewn across the Santa Ana freeway as my dad drove past the wreckage comes back like it was yesterday. The chunks of glistening meat on the roadway was a horrific thing to see for a kid barely 7 years old. My mom, being a nurse, always got out of the car to help, but didn't even bother when we passed the real bad ones.

Seat belts save lives, use them!

One thing I notice watching these films is the involvement of CHP and police officers doing first aid, bandaging etc. I don't know any cops who actually did any kind of first aid, that was our job and they were usually directing traffic or writing their reports upon our arrival. Mostly they were concerned with getting the wreckage cleared, finishing their investigation and getting traffic moving again. The only cops I ever saw doing patient care at an accident scene were Los Angeles City police department ambulance crews assigned to "george" units, mostly out of Central Receiving Hospital. But, these ambulances were part of the police department and their crews dedicated to ambulance service rather than being actual cops.

I didn't note any backboards being used, I believe they came into use in the 1970s, one source says 1977, but we used them as early as 1973. And the wooden plywood boards I trained on had seen several years of prior service.

I also see ineffective use of the flat. No log rolling, just plop the patient from the vehicle, using a lift known as the "Georgia Street Carry," on the flat lying on the ground then transfer to the gurney, or even worse, make the patient walk to the gurney. No! You always brought the gurney to the patient. Most ambulance services that gave a damn about patient care mandated that you bring the cot to the patient and never allow them to walk to it.

We were also trained to use a flat whenever possible if no backboard was available. We always slid the flat or board as far inside the car as possible, and if the vehicle damage allowed it, we'd gently place the flat between the seat back and the patient, then strap and rotate the stretcher for removal and subsequent carry to the cot. The fire department rescue crew always used a come-along winch attached to the front frame, with chain leading through a hole in the windshield to bend the steering wheel column forward toward the dashboard so we'd have room to work and reduce risk to the patient's likely fractured legs (occurring upon impact with the column and dash underside) to be splinted as best as we could given the confines of the wreckage.

I know in EMS, most modern EMTs tend to denigrate the older services and personnel that came before them. Even the old History Channel ambulance video, "Wheels of Mercy" glosses over ambulance services during the 60s and 70s as having gussied up hearses and poorly trained personnel. In contrast they idolize the civil war horse and wagon drivers as well as the modern day paramedic and modular ambulance truck, along with the aeromedical helicopter as being the last word in emergency medical care. Until something better comes along and the stigma of poor training and useless protocols taints the modern EMTs because the guys operating today did barbaric things like CPR and shoving needles in veins. And they drive around in bread wagons, the bigger the better, even though they can only carry one patient at a time.

I will admit that I only watched the first video, I don't have the stomach for it anymore, after 10 years in Los Angeles ambulances and 15 in fire dispatch, my thick hide is finally beginning to soften up and I can be human again and enjoy life as a retired guy.

One last word about "the last word" in emergency medical care, we got our flying ambulances, but where's the anti-gravity gurney?