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Bruce Bassett
06-15-2015, 09:31 PM
I have been searching for a front passenger side window for my '96 Miller Meteor. I tried contacting C-W Coach several times as their web site says they have glass available. No one would call me back. My wife called this past Friday and today someone returned her call. They said they have a Eureka they can pull it from for $250 + $70 shipping. Is there a difference between the front side glass in a standard and a commercial glass Fleetwood? I am unsure of what mine is.
I am a bit annoyed that I could not get a call back for three weeks after repeated calls. I have seen entire Fleetwood limo doors for less on ebay. My state inspection is due this month, so I don't have the luxury of time, plus I simply want my car back on the road. Any thoughts?

Peter Grave
06-15-2015, 10:42 PM
Your hearse is not a commercial glass coach. The front door glass is the same as a 91 to 96 Chevrolet Caprice,91 to 96 Buick Roadmaster,93 to 96 Cadillac rear drive Fleetwood. when you replace the glass make sure you lube all sliders for the window on the window and the door. you should be able to get the glass at the local U pull it yard for $20.00

Paul Steinberg
06-15-2015, 10:47 PM
If you clean out the broken glass from the door itself, I don't believe that it will fail inspection. Most states only inspect the windshield for damage.
As for cost for the glass, door glass is very expensive for the professional cars, however, there is a strong chance that you can purchase the door glass from Accubuilt. I suggest that you send a PM to Joe Bunn, on this website, and ask him to assist you. He works for Accubuilt, and is very helpful to the members of both The Friends of the Professional Car Society, and PCS Members also.
Paul
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John Royark JR
06-16-2015, 12:50 AM
Your hearse is not a commercial glass coach. The front door glass is the same as a 91 to 96 Chevrolet Caprice,91 to 96 Buick Roadmaster,93 to 96 Cadillac rear drive Fleetwood. when you replace the glass make sure you lube all sliders for the window on the window and the door. you should be able to get the glass at the local U pull it yard for $20.00

How can you be sure it is not commercial glass, since he did not mention the coachbuilder model? Some models of M-M in 1996 did in fact have commercial glass.

Daniel Scully
06-16-2015, 01:15 AM
How can you be sure it is not commercial glass, since he did not mention the coachbuilder model? Some models of M-M in 1996 did in fact have commercial glass.

Commercial glass Olympian model pic.

John Royark JR
06-16-2015, 11:13 AM
Commercial glass Olympian model pic.

Thanks for posting the pic. I knew the Olympian had the commercial glass, but was unsure if M-M offered any other models those years with it, hence my "models" wording. Can anyone say if this model is the only M-M model with CG, or is there another?

Peter Grave
06-16-2015, 12:39 PM
I do not believe that is commercial glass in the Olympian it is curved at the top front as the standard glass is. My Masterpiece is angled at that point. Please post or PM the measurement at the back of the Front door for the glass top to bottom and we can settle this.

John Royark JR
06-16-2015, 01:38 PM
I do not believe that is commercial glass in the Olympian it is curved at the top front as the standard glass is. My Masterpiece is angled at that point. Please post or PM the measurement at the back of the Front door for the glass top to bottom and we can settle this.

I assure you that the Olympian is commercial glass. The S&S Masterpiece and Victoria used a different style of commercial glass windshield so the side windows were also different-squared off. Look at the side glass on the Superior Sovereign, and S&S Buick Victoria (both Accubuilt products), and the Eureka Monticello (I believe that's their CG model) and M-M Olympian (both CCE products) use the other style of commercial glass windshield that looks more aerodynamic, so the side glass has the rounded top, but it is CG and NOT the same as standard glass. I do not know if the CCE and Accubuilt chauffer compartment side CG will interchange, anyone know?
Look closer at the Olympian posted and at a standard glass coach, and you can clearly see more height and less tumble home on this glass.

Bruce Bassett
06-16-2015, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the responses, I'll try to post a photo and more detailed info a little later this evening, but to start, the measurement of the window at the back end of the door is about 19" high and 34" wide.

Bruce Bassett
06-16-2015, 10:19 PM
There is an older post on the board somewhere with the 1996 sales brochure listing the M&M / Eureka models and their measurements. (Sorry, I don't have a link to it). My coach has the trim of the Le Classic, but the measurements of the back match those of the Olympian. Mainly, my coach doesn't have the metal band over the roof, so I don't know if that was an option. Please excuse the dust, I can't really wash it without a window...
http://nationalhearse.net/forums/filedata/fetch?photoid=146744
The etching from the drivers side window reads: Solar Ray Safety PPG Flo-lite AS2 28-5 2 solid tempered 4 Dot 18 M508 Here is a picture of the window opening. http://nationalhearse.net/forums/filedata/fetch?photoid=146746 I had written to someone who had a standard window for sale off of a 1995 Fleetwood and all numbers matched with the exception of the AS2 28-5 reading AS2 28-3 on his. I hope this helps. Thanks again everyone!

John ED Renstrom
06-16-2015, 11:08 PM
the number in question is simply the date of manufacture. simple enough to measure from the sill of the door to the top of the opening of the glass at the rear. then find a car in the parking lot and do the same. if they are within a 1/4 inch it's stock glass. if yours is taller by a few inches it is commercial glass.

Larry Sears
06-16-2015, 11:25 PM
After speaking to C-W Coach today, Carl assured me that his only Eureka parts car available is in fact a MONTICELLO Commercial glass (for the inexperienced hearse owner) Coach . Hopefully this helps someone !:applause:

Paul Steinberg
06-17-2015, 10:48 AM
I spoke to Joe Bunn this morning, and he said that he compared the window part number with a car they have in the shop presently, a 1995 with standard glass, and the numbers are the same. For this reason, he said that the glass is a standard Cadillac part. You can probably find one in a junk yard, or a new one at a glass shop. Also, check with your insurance carrier, and the glass might be covered under your auto policy.

Peter Grave
06-17-2015, 09:38 PM
I had a VERY busy day today but did get time to find out I am correct on the door glass issue. The standard glass in the GM cars mentioned before is the same as the Coach 19 inches high by 34 inches wide at the belt line. It would seen even though they used a different windshiend the front door glass is standard production. NOW there is a Commercial Glass Windshield with a similar curve to the stock GM but higher by about 1.5 inches. It is not like the angled corner one in my S&S Masterpiece. So in the end it would seem there are three possible windshields and two possible door glasses for the 91 to 96 Buicks and the 93 to 96 Cadillacs. BTW luberacation of the sliders in the doors on the glass and the inner door is critical on this series of vehicles. The sliders will shatter and the widow goes wild jams and sometimes breaks. Doorman sells replacement rollers most auto parts stores can easily order and they can be found on ebay. I have had to redo three windows on my commercial glass six door and one in the Masterpiece.

John Royark JR
06-17-2015, 10:06 PM
NOW there is a Commercial Glass Windshield with a similar curve to the stock GM but higher by about 1.5 inches. It is not like the angled corner one in my S&S Masterpiece. So in the end it would seem there are three possible windshields and two possible door glasses for the 91 to 96 Buicks and the 93 to 96 Cadillacs.

I hope you did not look too hard into that, since I said pretty much the same thing in post number 8 yesterday.
Also, pictures of the actual car were posted already, and confirmed it is not an Olympian so it does have standard glass.
Also, double confirmed by Pauls post almost 12 hours ago by comparing the numbers to a standard glass coach.
There are three styles of side glass too, standard, commercial curved, and commercial squared. It all depends on coachbuilder, chassis and coachbuilder model, which got what glass.

Peter Grave
06-17-2015, 10:21 PM
MY point I was confirming WAS THE DOOR GLASS IS STANDARD GM the windshield a secondary issue. My effort was to clear up the big $$$ door glass issue.

John Royark JR
06-17-2015, 10:46 PM
MY point I was confirming WAS THE DOOR GLASS IS STANDARD GM the windshield a secondary issue. My effort was to clear up the big $$$ door glass issue.

We knew it was standard door glass as soon as we knew it was not an Olympian, which DID use commercial SIDE glass that was taller and more vertical than standard glass side door glass. Paul confirmed it by checking the numbers. But what if it was really an Olympian? He would have gotten the incorrect side glass if we told him standard.
Im not sure how to make what I was saying anymore clear. You even said in your last post there were two styles of side glass, but there are three, standard, commercial squared (S&S Cadillacs), and commercial front curved.

Paul Steinberg
06-18-2015, 02:18 PM
John...

You are making this more difficult that that which is necessary and makes it more difficult for others, that are less knowledgeable, to follow. Bruce Bassett, specifically asked about one particular door glass by one particular manufacturer. Bring in other body builders (manufacturers) into the discussion is muddying the waters. If we keep the responses to this thread specifically to the question asked, it will go a long way to giving accurate information. In this particular case, less information is better information.
Thanks Paul

I have been searching for a front passenger side window for my '96 Miller Meteor. .........

Todd Merrifield
06-18-2015, 03:02 PM
Is there a difference between the front side glass in a standard and a commercial glass Fleetwood? I am unsure of what mine is.

To be fair, pretty much everything John R. said speaks directly to this question, which was part of the original post.

John Royark JR
06-18-2015, 04:47 PM
To be fair, pretty much everything John R. said speaks directly to this question, which was part of the original post.

Im glad someone understands what I was saying.

John Royark JR
06-18-2015, 05:09 PM
John...

You are making this more difficult that that which is necessary and makes it more difficult for others, that are less knowledgeable, to follow. Bruce Bassett, specifically asked about one particular door glass by one particular manufacturer. Bring in other body builders (manufacturers) into the discussion is muddying the waters. If we keep the responses to this thread specifically to the question asked, it will go a long way to giving accurate information. In this particular case, less information is better information.
Thanks Paul

How was I making it more difficult? The original poster wanted to know if there was a difference between commercial and standard side glass because he was not sure what he had in his M-M. If you look at my first posts, I said there is a difference and depending on what model M-M he had would depend if it was standard or commercial side glass. No other coachbuilder was even mentioned at the time. Pretty straight forward if you ask me.
Peter is the one that tried to say that I was wrong and that the Olympian did not have commercial side glass because it did not look like the glass in his S&S so HE is the one that brought up other coachbuilders first, not me. After that is when I went into further detail about the glass.
If I did not speak up about the incorrect info and the OP in fact did have an Olympian he would have gotten the wrong glass because someone else did not have the facts and bases his response on a coach from a different builder.

Kurt Arends
06-18-2015, 09:57 PM
Now, now girls! Lol

Peter Grave
06-24-2015, 09:24 PM
Final Chapter on glass:
I was waiting to post this till I spoke with Attilla. We did a research project on this when he had access to an Olympian a couple of years ago and I wanted to speak to him to make sure my memory had not failed.
#1 There are three windshields a standard used in all vehicles with this body shell from 91 to 96 this excludes 91-92 Cadillac as they used the old body, the second a Commercial glass used in the S&S commercial glass Victoria and Masterpiece the third a Commercial glass used in the Olympian and perhaps some others this glass is six inches wider at the top and about 1 1/2 inches higher than the Standard.
#2 Side glass Front Doors ONLY, two types, the standard application as above and the Commercial Glass Used in the S&S cars above. There is no Commercial glass used in the Front Door side windows of the Olympian such a glass is not made. The distance in height and width is made by altering the door outward from the belt line up to give a width and height increase needed for the Commercial Glass windshield.
#3 Additional glass and hardware research shows The standard 91 to 96 front door glass are all the same EXCEPT 94 to 96 Cadillac shown to have a different NAGS number and different GM part number I can see no difference in the glass when sitting next to each other. The Window regulator is the same in all 91 to 96. The doors with the exception of holes for trim are the same from 91 to 96 EXCEPT for the mirror mounting it being the same from 91 to 93 and the same from 94 to 96 you can change this by drilling and filling. Hardly worth doing due to the many doors available.
I hope this clears this up for everyone.

Kurt Arends
06-24-2015, 11:04 PM
Final Chapter on glass:
I was waiting to post this till I spoke with Attilla. We did a research project on this when he had access to an Olympian a couple of years ago and I wanted to speak to him to make sure my memory had not failed.
#1 There are three windshields a standard used in all vehicles with this body shell from 91 to 96 this excludes 91-92 Cadillac as they used the old body, the second a Commercial glass used in the S&S commercial glass Victoria and Masterpiece the third a Commercial glass used in the Olympian and perhaps some others this glass is six inches wider at the top and about 1 1/2 inches higher than the Standard.
#2 Side glass Front Doors ONLY, two types, the standard application as above and the Commercial Glass Used in the S&S cars above. There is no Commercial glass used in the Front Door side windows of the Olympian such a glass is not made. The distance in height and width is made by altering the door outward from the belt line up to give a width and height increase needed for the Commercial Glass windshield.
#3 Additional glass and hardware research shows The standard 91 to 96 front door glass are all the same EXCEPT 94 to 96 Cadillac shown to have a different NAGS number and different GM part number I can see no difference in the glass when sitting next to each other. The Window regulator is the same in all 91 to 96. The doors with the exception of holes for trim are the same from 91 to 96 EXCEPT for the mirror mounting it being the same from 91 to 93 and the same from 94 to 96 you can change this by drilling and filling. Hardly worth doing due to the many doors available.
I hope this clears this up for everyone.

Pete,
I think you meant to say that the '93-'96 doors are the same with the exception of the mirrors. '91 & '92 were the previous('80s) body style. '93 & '94 shared the same mirrors, and '95 & '96 shared the same mirrors.

John Royark JR
06-25-2015, 10:51 AM
I guess Attila previous statement of saying these had commercial side glass (post #5 here http://www.professionalcarsociety.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8241&highlight=Olympian and the brochure for the '95 Superior brochure that says for the Sovereign "Its custom designed doors and pillars feature larger more vertical windows" is all incorrect.

Peter Grave
06-25-2015, 10:58 AM
MY apologies for the lack of clarity by 91 to 96 I was including Buick ,Oldsmobile,and Chevrolet ALL doors are the same EXCEPT Cadillac which as stated 91 and 92 were the old body style. I was told at the time Cadillac did this to give Coach builders time for catchup as they did in 1948 and 1965. Looked a bit silly at the time to have on one hand a Buick,Oldsmobile, or Chevrolet that looked like today (whether you liked the look or not) or a Cadillac "The Standard of the world" that looked like suddenly its 1980. Still in Pro cars the name outsold the style so I guess GM was right.

Peter Grave
06-25-2015, 11:20 AM
Posting "Larger more vertical windows" is correct its just how you apply it. The windshield is larger (wider at the top and higher),and the door is higher by moving the top outward above the belt line thus changing the height by lessening the angle (strait up is higher) but not changing the glass the cheaper way out for the builder. I have not looked inside the door on one but I would wager there has been some redesign of the runners and regulator mechanism to accommodate the angle change. Due to the size of the Coach the angle change is not apparent in pictures.

John Royark JR
06-25-2015, 11:42 AM
Posting "Larger more vertical windows" is correct its just how you apply it. The windshield is larger (wider at the top and higher),and the door is higher by moving the top outward above the belt line thus changing the height by lessening the angle (strait up is higher) but not changing the glass the cheaper way out for the builder. I have not looked inside the door on one but I would wager there has been some redesign of the runners and regulator mechanism to accommodate the angle change. Due to the size of the Coach the angle change is not apparent in pictures.

I agree straight up is more vertical so that explains that, but larger to me means bigger. Im going to have to see one in person sometime, because the angle change is apparent to me in most pictures. And going by what was previously stated, really makes it hard to know what is true when the facts seem to change. No wonder its confusing.
It would be interesting to see how much they had to alter the mechanism to tilt the windows out.

John Royark JR
06-25-2015, 02:52 PM
I agree straight up is more vertical so that explains that, but larger to me means bigger. Im going to have to see one in person sometime, because the angle change is apparent to me in most pictures. And going by what was previously stated, really makes it hard to know what is true when the facts seem to change. No wonder its confusing.
It would be interesting to see how much they had to alter the mechanism to tilt the windows out.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I was just looking through more brochures (Superior) and I see the side glass mentioned too in the specifications.
One line says "OEM windshield & side window glass" (then says what models have that.
The next line says "commercial windshield & side window glass" (then says what models have it)
If it was only the windshield that was commercial, why would they say side glass is too? Just to be clear this is for the aerodynamic glass, not the squared off style.
Im not saying you are right or you are wrong anymore, because there is so much contradicting info. Guess until I see one in person and do my own research we will have to agree to disagree for now.
In another area it even stated the standard glass coaches have standard front door glass, but we already know that. I just cannot get past them saying something has commercial glass if it really doesn't.
Just so everyone knows, this added post is not meant to be a continual dig as to who is right or wrong (and I may be and I will admit if I am after I see for myself), its meant from an information standpoint of the contradicting info out there.

Richard Vyse
06-25-2015, 03:29 PM
Commercial glass Olympian model pic.

Now that is pretty....

John Royark JR
06-25-2015, 04:36 PM
Now that is pretty....

Now that's something I can agree 100% with. If we only knew what those pod things are, that's a mystery.

Daniel Scully
06-25-2015, 04:52 PM
Now that's something I can agree 100% with. If we only knew what those pod things are, that's a mystery.

Question was asked when it was for sale on ebay .


Q: What are those round things sticking out of the top at the rear. Ive seen thousands of coaches, and never seen this before. Beautiful car! May-14-15
A: Thats what I asked when i saw the first one with those nipples!! And Ive sold "HUNDREDS" of these hearses over the past 29 years.. Those are the "ORIGINAL" back up sonar detectors..... Sorry, i had to laugh!! Actually I "BELIEVE that they were installed to "STOP" the rear door from swinging to far into the body and top and causing damage because the door actually taps those bumps/nipples if opened too fast or hard.. I know, i was at a loss for words when I first saw it too. The mortuary that I got the hearse from had no idea that they were not a stock part of the car.. When the Hearse was repainted, they did an excellent job of color matching them to the top. I think the right one was installed to balance out the look of the hearse.. If they were removed, it would leave a indention in the top soo, I just left them on... If I can answer anything else, please feel free.. Ronnie. Long Beach CA, USA
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John Royark JR
06-26-2015, 11:38 AM
Question was asked when it was for sale on ebay .


Q: What are those round things sticking out of the top at the rear. Ive seen thousands of coaches, and never seen this before. Beautiful car! May-14-15
A: Thats what I asked when i saw the first one with those nipples!! And Ive sold "HUNDREDS" of these hearses over the past 29 years.. Those are the "ORIGINAL" back up sonar detectors..... Sorry, i had to laugh!! Actually I "BELIEVE that they were installed to "STOP" the rear door from swinging to far into the body and top and causing damage because the door actually taps those bumps/nipples if opened too fast or hard.. I know, i was at a loss for words when I first saw it too. The mortuary that I got the hearse from had no idea that they were not a stock part of the car.. When the Hearse was repainted, they did an excellent job of color matching them to the top. I think the right one was installed to balance out the look of the hearse.. If they were removed, it would leave a indention in the top soo, I just left them on... If I can answer anything else, please feel free.. Ronnie. Long Beach CA, USA
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Yeah, that's the answer I got when I asked too. Somehow I don't buy that one. No other one needed a door stop like that, and I sure do not believe the back up sensor. I would be pulling the rear interior out to see whats behind them.