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Attila Bethlenfalvy
08-07-2013, 09:28 AM
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1951 Pontiac Ambulance/Hearse Conversion - $1 (Big Bear City CA)

Very rare car with an old straight 8 motor and three on the tree sifter. This car is is running condition but needs TLC. This 1951 Private Pontiac was used as a ambulance and a Hurst conversion with a pump siren foot pedal and antique siren on roof. It has all the original hospital equipment and well as hospital gurney. The back can be used for a coffin or gurney to roll in. The nurse seats flip out from the floor board when used as an ambulance. Make me an offer no low ballers please this car is rare. (818) 383-7422

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Wonder how different Poncho currently is from these old pics. Note siren has fore/aft lights. Steve/Ed/Joe/Keith can figure out Barnette/National/Acme. :D

John ED Renstrom
08-07-2013, 11:24 AM
nation had the square tops on the door corners. Barnette had there emblem were that one says pon 8. that leaves acme and at least a dozen other small builders. one clear shot of the quarter glass treatment may help define that. but what I see of it, it's not Barnette or national glass either. Economy would be the other larger builder of them. the only pictures I have of one is a factory photo of a service car. it shows similar large radius corners on the doors.

I see this one has lost the spot light off the door.

Joe Melanson
08-07-2013, 01:13 PM
Atti, Thanks for posting.

I'm w/ Ed on this that it is not a National (door tops) nor a Barnett. Third window seems too small plus no Barnett script as Ed pointed out.

This rig seems to have a different partition than I've ever seen. When viewed through the back window it looks like more of a pass thru than a partition. If this is original that would be a clue as well as both National and Barnett had partitions with thin rectangular sliding windows in the partition.

Seems like the design on the third window is just 5 straight lines. I've been searching my archives and have found nothing similar so far. I'll look more later tonight.

That is a very nice siren/light for this rig. If original it may be a clue as to which outfit had this as an option.



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Steve Loftin
08-07-2013, 02:27 PM
I don't instantly recognize anything on this car, including the small rear side windows (and decals).

The whistle is a Federal WLR, which was available to all procar builders and converters.

Keith Snyder
08-07-2013, 04:45 PM
Based on the shape of the window frames and where the front and rear window frames meet the "B-pillar" and studying the available literature, right now, I'd be inclined to think that Ed is right. This may well be a 1951 Economy-Pontiac Model 1700 combination car. Although it could also be a Model 1500 ambulance. The 1700 and 1500 models featured 30-inch extension of the Pontiac sedan delivery and had a wheelbase of 150-inches and an overall length of 233-inches. However, the literature and photos I have available of 1951 Economy-Pontiacs show that there was an Economy script nameplate mounted just above the triangular molding at the front of the bodu side molding. Now, this may have been discarded years agio if and when the vehice was repainted but, if it's an Ecomony...there was an emblem there once upon a time. Just tossing in my two cents worth.

John ED Renstrom
08-08-2013, 12:14 AM
I don't see the scrip on the factory 51 photo I have but i do on other years. cleaned up the pictures as best I can and the window is the standard cross in the circle in the center with 5 lines going across the glass. but if you have a pictures not a drawing of a Economy ambulance please post it. I have not found one yet. and I would love to rule out that one fro my 53. here is the best I could do on this old gal.

Attila Bethlenfalvy
08-15-2013, 11:53 PM
Fresh ad, substantial price point, and updated pictures that show higher detail. Yes, if on (newer) gurney looking up I'd marvel at blood red headliner too!

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http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4004118441.html

1951 Pontiac Hearse Ambulance Conversion - $15000 (Riverside CA)

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Very rare car with an old straight 8 motor and three on the tree sifter.
This car is is running condition but needs TLC.
This 1951 Private Pontiac was used as a ambulance and a Hurst conversion with a pump siren foot pedal and antique siren on roof.
It has all the original hospital equipment and well as hospital gurney.
The back can be used for a coffin or gurney to roll in. The nurse seats flip out from the floor board when used as an ambulance.
Make me an offer no low ballers please this car is rare. (818) 383-7422
Pictures do no include front chrome bumper, but I have it and all additional parts.

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Steve Lichtman
08-16-2013, 10:57 AM
Going through my photos, this most closely resembles a Barnette. The rear side window shape is similar, as is the shape of the back door, and the "stick out" tail lights. Economys tended to have a slightly higher roof line, and the roof here is more like a Barnette as well. The Barnette nameplate would have been on the front doors that year, and it appears that the front door trim was all removed (perhaps it's a replacement door) and the words "Pontiac Eight" are in the location where the name "Barnette" would be.

But the rear window design is not like anything I can find, and not similar to the design normally used by Barnette.
Can't say for certain, it's just :my2cents:

Joe Melanson
08-16-2013, 04:49 PM
I can not find anything like it either. I agree w/ Steve on a lot of his observations. I am not familiar with that window design. Any one seen that before? Wish the small pic of the divider was better but from what I can make out, and comparing it w/ some others, it looks like it might be Barnett made. That back window is still a mystery. Could be that that is the way the customer wanted it - just a thought.

John ED Renstrom
08-20-2013, 07:17 PM
in the 51 model Bernette used the same holes as the Pontiac 8. with vary few exceptions Barrette also swing there doors off the right side. they were clearly labeled on the inside also. there spotlights were post mounted. they also had a flat sloped covering the wheel wells. it could be a armbruster I still have not figured them out yet. but the siren light is standard to all. sharp quarter glass. I do not have another like it in my collection.