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Joe Melanson
06-24-2013, 09:50 PM
Posted on Craigslist: 2013-06-20, 12:53AM PDT

1953 Ford Ambulance - $5900 (Pacific, WA.)

1953 Ford Courier Ambulance. Lots and lots already done to car. Almost ready, lost interest. Need to sell. Former King County Ambulance. Very straight and clean. New tires, repainted, Y-block motor, upholstery done, has gurney, glass all good, 3 speed on column, etched glass, wig wig lights on roof, new Holley 2 barrel carb, 6 volt with all new wiring, has correct radio for in the dash. Originally built by the Seibert Company in 1953. Have lots of info on that company. Much more about this vehicle. It is under cover and has a car cover. Call for the info if interested. Open to offers! Jim @ 253-350-8386. CALLS ONLY! NO TEXT! Do not need help selling it also.. Thanks..

Jon Power
06-25-2013, 08:57 AM
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3882745724.html

Joe Melanson
06-25-2013, 04:26 PM
Thanks Jon,
Somehow the link did not come through on my post. I normally do not miss it but I sure did this time. Thanks for catching it. Greatly appreciated.
Joe

Michael O'Brien
12-29-2013, 02:25 PM
I am considering this car for purchase. I'm am more of a ford flathead guy than anything else and already have a collection of fire trucks and other things that result in a vigorous spousal head shake. I know enough about the ford aspect of the car (what's ford correct, where they rot out, etc.) but know very little about Siebert related or ambulatory items. The motor is not original but was converted to an OHV. They did a fair job and didn't butcher things. The frame, rocker panels and body mounts are good + (not awesome.) These areas typically go first. I am told the Siebert emblems for the fenders are present, the upholstry is there but not fully installed, the wiring is mostly done but needs to be fully completed, the motor is rebuilt but not running, has a gurney (newer,) new tires, has been painted and undercoated. The paint on the car is a grade B. This beauty is not a car I can visit (too far away.) Given that it is a bit of a hail mary pass I was thinking of offering 2500. I don't know the production numbers on Sieberts but this vintage of a ford isn't worth all that much and can't be all that rare. Finished I assume the car is worth some 18-20K. Anyone have any thoughts?

Bill Leverett
12-29-2013, 03:16 PM
Rick franklin lives in Bellevue, Washington (about 30 minutes from Pacific) and may know something about the vehicle. Send him an email. He's always very helpful and willing to help PCS members out.

Rick's father passed away recently so he may still be busy with that aspect of his life.

John Royark JR
12-29-2013, 03:25 PM
I am considering this car for purchase. I'm am more of a ford flathead guy than anything else and already have a collection of fire trucks and other things that result in a vigorous spousal head shake. I know enough about the ford aspect of the car (what's ford correct, where they rot out, etc.) but know very little about Siebert related or ambulatory items. The motor is not original but was converted to an OHV. They did a fair job and didn't butcher things. The frame, rocker panels and body mounts are good + (not awesome.) These areas typically go first. I am told the Siebert emblems for the fenders are present, the upholstry is there but not fully installed, the wiring is mostly done but needs to be fully completed, the motor is rebuilt but not running, has a gurney (newer,) new tires, has been painted and undercoated. The paint on the car is a grade B. This beauty is not a car I can visit (too far away.) Given that it is a bit of a hail mary pass I was thinking of offering 2500. I don't know the production numbers on Sieberts but this vintage of a ford isn't worth all that much and can't be all that rare. Finished I assume the car is worth some 18-20K. Anyone have any thoughts?

Siebert Fords are hard to come by, and its always nice to see something different so if it was me and had the funds I would get it in a heartbeat. As for value, there really is not one. Most of us say its worth what you are willing to sell it for and what someone is willing to buy it for. If you are just buying it for the investment value and not the love of the cars, you should pass. Many of us have put double (or more) into a professional car than we could ever sell it for. It all amounts to the love of the car and what you want to spend. For an example I may be willing to pay $15,000 for a coach that no one else would even give $5,000 for, so for me the worth is what I would give, but the worth to anyone else may be far lower.

Bill Marcy
12-29-2013, 04:36 PM
Michael, I would encourage you to buy this Siebert. For one thing is the rarity, but more importantly, you are a Ford guy. It seems like a perfect match!

Rick Franklin
12-29-2013, 04:55 PM
Considering that the Craigslist ad is from JUNE 2013, it may already be sold

John ED Renstrom
12-29-2013, 09:10 PM
there are darn few Seabert servers out there. I think I have only seen one. but like it's all ready been stated you got to want the car. this one looks to be a miss match of mechanical parts. one could expect as you describe other things the same way. but put back together right and looking good one may get 20,000 out of it but I would not expect to. limited market to sell to and no matter how neat it is you got to want it.

Michael O'Brien
12-31-2013, 01:01 AM
Thanks for the insight. I have been talking with the owner on and off over the past two weeks. He seems like a fair guy and not a bs artist. There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest for his Ambulance so far. For whatever reason I would have thought there were more Sieberts around than your indicating but from the sounds of it Siebert parts are probably hard to find. My brother in law lives about 20 minutes away and went to take a look it for me saturday. He doesn't know what he's looking at per say but was very helpful in gathering pictures for me. Oddly enough in all my stuff I have a '53 Siebert brochure. There is a '52 sitting in a junk yard in Montana that is a solid but in need of a lot of work. The styling difference between the '52 and '53 is dramatic. The '52 is more attractive. The '53 is more of a box / truck. In this case the '53 is so much further along that it is hard to turn down. Shipping is probably going to make the difference.
Most recent ad: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4263768556.html
Thanks guys.....Happy New Year!

Doug Lemon
12-31-2013, 02:10 AM
Michael, I would consider myself lucky if all I got was a "vigorous spousal head shake".

Peter Grave
12-31-2013, 09:02 AM
Looks like a very solid Washington state coach. If you can live with the wrong motor OK add an overdrive unit and you will have a fine road car of the 50s the thing will sail on the interstate. One thing is for sure no one is going to pull up next to you at a meet or show with one like it. Shipping will be rough though. Good luck hope you make a deal

John Royark JR
12-31-2013, 10:46 AM
Now that I see pictures, I would really jump on it if I had the funds, looks like its in great condition. Since you are already a Ford guy, you should get it, price is very reasonable. Like others have posted there is not many of these around, I would not be surprised if this has a production number very close to single digits, and possibly could be much lower. Also, if you decide to pass, let everyone here know. Most of us will not jump on something that someone else is very interested in, even if they want it, until that person states they are not going to buy it.

John ED Renstrom
12-31-2013, 12:20 PM
the key is if the interior has all the Seabert stuff. that the only hard part to come up with. the out side is ford with a 42in streach and Seabeart doors added. they were big on just flipping a front around and putting it on the other side. but from what we see of this one it looks to be a made up sent of center doors. but the outside you can redo the interior once the trim is gone, dividers removed, floor is cut up, you have a problem you can't solve on a limited production car.

John Royark JR
12-31-2013, 12:39 PM
ED, if you look at the new ad link that was posted in reply #10, the rear interior appears to be mostly if not all there, and in good condition.

John ED Renstrom
12-31-2013, 12:54 PM
so looking at that were is the other panels? the ones off the back?

Michael O'Brien
12-31-2013, 02:35 PM
I'm told the interior is all there but who knows.) The present owner redid the seats and did a nice job. I have some more pics I'll add later that he sent me. The floor pan in the cab has some holes in it (the car is 60 yrs old right) and needs a little welding but nothing I can see that is horrible. The areas around the body mounts looks good and teh rust hole is in what I'd call an odd place. Probably just a low spot. It's hard for me to hand out any money on something I can't personally see. I have the correct motor for that car (it needs a rebuild) and while I'd have to reverse some of the items that were done to it it seems fate would have it that I have all the necessary spares. I'd like to give this guy an answer if I can get a call back from a shipper with the holidays and all!

Steve Lichtman
12-31-2013, 04:26 PM
...The styling difference between the '52 and '53 is dramatic. The '52 is more attractive. The '53 is more of a box / truck...Remember that Siebert built both car-chassis and truck-chassis vehicles, so you may be looking at a truck brochure.

Good luck, I hope it works out. That does need a good home.

Harry and Wes Foor in Maryland have two restored, running Sieberts.

Michael O'Brien
12-31-2013, 07:53 PM
What years are the cars?

I was real tempted to pick up a '38 Ford Siebert Hearse last year. It was gutted but I just don't see prewar Ford Hearses at national Early Ford V8 meets.

Michael O'Brien
12-31-2013, 08:20 PM
I can't seem tp post any pictures? Any suggestions on how I can change this?

John ED Renstrom
12-31-2013, 11:56 PM
one needs to be a site supporter to post on the site. or have a hosting site you can link to. my experience is you will be looking at some were close to 3 to move one across coutry

Michael O'Brien
01-02-2014, 06:30 PM
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Michael O'Brien
01-05-2014, 10:06 PM
Gentleman....

I am going to pass on the '53 Ford Siebert. If it was closer to me I'd negotiate the car down a little more and have it in my garage. His bottom line on price during discussions with me was $4,300.00. Overall not an unreasonable price but once I add transportation costs in and it puts me well over 6K and I just don't want to take a gamble on a car I can't visit with. Probably needs less than a weeks worth of effort to have it on the road in its present form. Real restoration will really require stripping the car back down, reversing alterations to Ford factory components (almost all front end) and installing a correct motor. There is rust working its way up through the paint under the drip edge and other corner / fold areas. The chrome around the grill is developing surface rust. The unfinished floor in the cab has scale rust and a number of rust-through holes that, while they are repairable, probably indicate the condition of other areas on the car that have been finished already. Under the scuff plates the prior owner pained right over rust. Granted the scuff plates will hid this but it will evenually works its way around to the outside. The bleeding through of rust in certain areas strongly indicates less than good prep work done to the present paint job. While none of this is disasterous, a good job (in my mind) will require starting over in many ways. The present owner is not responsible for the cars condition as he bought it the way it is. I will probably regret this decision given my understanding of the Ford subject matter and my collection of spare parts but lord knows I have plenty of other things to horse around with.

Thanks for all the advice and help on this one.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4263768556.html
Mike

John ED Renstrom
01-05-2014, 10:10 PM
the shipping cost has killed may a deal. I got as much in shipping as I paid for the last one from the east cost.

Michael O'Brien
01-05-2014, 10:39 PM
The timing on this find isn't all that great either. Six grand really isn't all that much money but I bought something like this once and got bit in the butt over it. The car was far worse than what it appeared (even to the other owner.) If this was a prewar Ford I would be much more willing to take the leap at a much highter price but 49-53 fords are near the bottom of the interest bell curve.

Besides I know of a '52 Siebert that is in Montana which while it looks worse I think they are in similar condition. Certain aspects of the '52 make it more desireable.

Another one will be along.....

John Royark JR
01-06-2014, 05:09 PM
Sorry you couldn't make it work for you, but thanks for telling us its up for grabs. We all understand we cant get them all, we have all been there a few times. Hopefully someone here can jump on it and save it.

Michael O'Brien
01-06-2014, 10:23 PM
Definatly something you can have a drive while you squirl around with it.

James Fischer
01-13-2014, 12:31 PM
Vehicle has been lowered to $4500.00 :)